1 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:24,720 [Music] 2 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:28,550 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:32,330 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:36,670 --> 00:00:34,850 has announced are applying there - found 5 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:36,680 and is now in the possession of the are 6 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:41,710 a big change the game changer I 7 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:44,570 occasionally think how quickly our 8 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:48,890 differences worldwide would vanish if we 9 00:00:57,710 --> 00:00:51,530 were facing an alien threat from outside 10 00:01:02,960 --> 00:00:59,990 this is fade to black with your host 11 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:02,970 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 12 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:15,140 me here l to do a year 1985 13 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:18,250 [Music] 14 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:20,770 you're listening to thank you 15 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:22,990 with jimmy touch on the game change in 16 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:32,210 all right good evening fade to black 17 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:43,660 the spoke radio for the masses yeah man 18 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:46,030 all right 19 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:52,840 today's Tuesday July 31st 2018 213 days 20 00:02:00,690 --> 00:01:57,310 into the new year just 152 days left and 21 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:00,700 we are live from a bunker somewhere in 22 00:02:04,770 --> 00:02:03,010 beautiful downtown Burbank California 23 00:02:06,750 --> 00:02:04,780 and I would like to welcome everybody 24 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:06,760 listening all around the world all 25 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:10,899 across the United States hither and 26 00:02:17,130 --> 00:02:13,660 thither to and fro back and forth up and 27 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:17,140 down east and west north and south far 28 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:21,130 and near that's right this is fade to 29 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:24,760 black for kjc are the game changer 30 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:28,690 network in kg ra the planet's i'm your 31 00:02:38,699 --> 00:02:34,930 host jimmy church what is car rackin we 32 00:02:44,310 --> 00:02:38,709 have got a show tonight it's gonna be a 33 00:02:47,310 --> 00:02:44,320 conversation oh man can't wait because 34 00:02:50,580 --> 00:02:47,320 we have very special guest dr. Michael P 35 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:50,590 masters he is here we're gonna talk 36 00:02:56,060 --> 00:02:52,360 about his new book it's about to be 37 00:03:00,900 --> 00:02:56,070 released called identified flying 38 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:00,910 objects who are we now you got to 39 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:04,209 remember we are talking about a 40 00:03:11,370 --> 00:03:07,690 professor on the show tonight a doctor 41 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:11,380 an anthropologist and his new book is 42 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:13,390 called identified flying objects and 43 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:17,230 it's about it's about well you know what 44 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:19,450 I'm gonna let him go if I let too much 45 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:24,660 slip right now all right you just wait 46 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:27,130 unbelievable it's gonna be an amazing 47 00:03:35,150 --> 00:03:30,850 show tonight tomorrow night Karen a 48 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:35,160 Dallman is here for the much-anticipated 49 00:03:40,559 --> 00:03:39,040 highly anticipated Ouija board live 50 00:03:43,229 --> 00:03:40,569 that's what we're going to do to 51 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:43,239 we're gonna we G live we talked about 52 00:03:46,619 --> 00:03:44,799 doing this for quite a while 53 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:46,629 excuse me ma'am where did that come from 54 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:48,340 that's that you know what that's too 55 00:03:57,119 --> 00:03:54,010 much coffee we've been waiting for we G 56 00:04:00,740 --> 00:03:57,129 live for a long time now and I don't 57 00:04:03,539 --> 00:04:00,750 have a Ouija board over at the house and 58 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:03,549 I don't know maybe after tomorrow 59 00:04:10,699 --> 00:04:06,609 night's show Reed and I will change our 60 00:04:14,629 --> 00:04:10,709 tune on that one I could just imagine 61 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:14,639 Rita and I with the Ouija board 62 00:04:21,629 --> 00:04:17,289 yeah she's listening down the hall right 63 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:21,639 now going search that's a zone we don't 64 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:24,070 need to go into Thursday night is 65 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:25,690 another Fator night with Jon Rappoport 66 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:27,460 and there's no more fake newsroom life 67 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:30,130 and we're also gonna have a very special 68 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:32,500 guest here Matthew Ryan is gonna join 69 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:34,360 the show because next week 70 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:37,570 Matthew is gonna be up with us at ISA D 71 00:04:45,810 --> 00:04:41,470 for soul tech I can't even believe Soul 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:45,820 Tech is we seven days from today one 73 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:49,570 week from today is it six days from 74 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:49,900 today 75 00:04:57,689 --> 00:04:53,199 yeah we'll already be there we will be 76 00:05:00,560 --> 00:04:57,699 at Sol Tech next Tuesday and there you 77 00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:00,570 go all right now we're gonna figure out 78 00:05:05,249 --> 00:05:03,759 some some replays for the show and stuff 79 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:05,259 like that 80 00:05:10,379 --> 00:05:07,720 I don't know well if we're gonna do a 81 00:05:13,379 --> 00:05:10,389 fainter night on Thursday or not I don't 82 00:05:16,170 --> 00:05:13,389 have a way to take calls it's very 83 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:16,180 complex you know the studio setup here 84 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:20,889 is insane it's just insane and trying to 85 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:23,320 do that in a mobile sense is difficult 86 00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:25,930 I can broadcast I just can't take calls 87 00:05:31,379 --> 00:05:29,199 I guess I could have a bunch of people 88 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:31,389 from Sol Tech come up and act like phone 89 00:05:35,909 --> 00:05:33,280 calls but to the fate or nots 90 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:35,919 I don't know I don't know we'll see 91 00:05:41,490 --> 00:05:39,490 we'll see we'll see I have no idea but 92 00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:41,500 we're ready to go for Sol Tech and we'll 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:42,940 be up there in a week and I can't wait 94 00:05:46,709 --> 00:05:44,650 to see all of you there I know that a 95 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:46,719 lot of you that are driving it from 96 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:47,680 around the country you're probably 97 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:50,500 getting ready right I mean getting ready 98 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:52,539 like packing so we'll see you guys in 99 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:53,710 one week 100 00:05:57,659 --> 00:05:56,050 and so that'll be Thursday night Matthew 101 00:05:59,340 --> 00:05:57,669 Ryan's gonna be here and we're gonna 102 00:06:02,189 --> 00:05:59,350 talk about soul tech and when he's going 103 00:06:03,750 --> 00:06:02,199 to be doing and we're gonna also take 104 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:03,760 your phone call so that's Thursday a 105 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:07,900 great week on the show and what I wanted 106 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:09,310 to say was okay 107 00:06:13,650 --> 00:06:11,770 I've got some very complex things that I 108 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:13,660 want to talk about here in just a little 109 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:16,000 bit so I want to scoot through 110 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:19,389 everything here as quick as I can of 111 00:06:26,189 --> 00:06:22,290 course on stellar you can go and 112 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:26,199 normally and this was just you know six 113 00:06:29,659 --> 00:06:27,910 months ago was a different world and I'm 114 00:06:32,610 --> 00:06:29,669 gonna talk about that in just a bit but 115 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:32,620 six months ago it wasn't about on 116 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:34,330 stellar and I would say go and and 117 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:37,000 follow us on Facebook and and follow me 118 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:39,039 on Twitter at a church radio and do all 119 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:41,650 of that stuff and and now everything is 120 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:45,190 shifted it's an on stellar world today 121 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:48,910 ons te ll a are on stellar and I say 122 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:51,370 that so you don't do er it's on stellar 123 00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:55,300 comm and you need to start making 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:06:57,550 changes in your life in your social 125 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:00,130 media world it's all about on stellar 126 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:04,300 and not only for all of the subjects 127 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:05,530 that you like but that's where all your 128 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:07,690 friends are now you're wondering why 129 00:07:11,490 --> 00:07:09,280 they're not on Facebook 130 00:07:13,469 --> 00:07:11,500 they're all over at on stellar so you 131 00:07:15,719 --> 00:07:13,479 need to get over there and send me a 132 00:07:17,310 --> 00:07:15,729 friend request we've got the 133 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:17,320 game-changer Network over there readers 134 00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:18,880 over there we've got fade to black over 135 00:07:25,710 --> 00:07:22,270 there and so get over start writing read 136 00:07:27,810 --> 00:07:25,720 the articles post make friends and enjoy 137 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:27,820 that social media network that has been 138 00:07:32,129 --> 00:07:29,260 built just for you it's amazing 139 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:32,139 technology and we've got lots of stuff 140 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:36,310 on the horizon and right now I've got 141 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:40,000 problems with YouTube again again 142 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:44,770 YouTube has stopped streaming well you 143 00:07:49,980 --> 00:07:47,889 can stream if you stream with them they 144 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:49,990 had a set up and it was one of the best 145 00:07:57,930 --> 00:07:53,830 in the world where you could go and once 146 00:07:59,520 --> 00:07:57,940 you you know earn your your status with 147 00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:59,530 them you would get certain things that 148 00:08:03,939 --> 00:08:01,360 you were eligible for and one of those 149 00:08:07,209 --> 00:08:03,949 is live streaming and 150 00:08:10,029 --> 00:08:07,219 we with our subscriber base and we 151 00:08:11,050 --> 00:08:10,039 haven't had any guideline strikes or 152 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:11,060 anything like that we're in good 153 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:13,669 standing with them we fought for that 154 00:08:22,119 --> 00:08:15,889 and so one of the things that we were 155 00:08:25,269 --> 00:08:22,129 eligible for was to stream to Jimmy 156 00:08:27,269 --> 00:08:25,279 Church radio.com right they have the 157 00:08:32,110 --> 00:08:27,279 best streaming technologies the best 158 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:32,120 encoding and decoding just just the best 159 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:35,630 Kodak's that the best servers streaming 160 00:08:43,719 --> 00:08:39,620 is a breeze right so so many people out 161 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:43,729 there I mean millions would take 162 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:47,810 advantage of the live stream and run 163 00:08:52,509 --> 00:08:50,390 stuff over to their website and have it 164 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:52,519 private for them and their friends like 165 00:08:58,630 --> 00:08:55,970 you and the bunker cam right it's just 166 00:09:02,920 --> 00:08:58,640 gonna it's it's that simple now you 167 00:09:06,939 --> 00:09:02,930 can't do it you can but you have to live 168 00:09:09,310 --> 00:09:06,949 stream on YouTube at the same time you 169 00:09:12,069 --> 00:09:09,320 have to make your stream public you 170 00:09:15,630 --> 00:09:12,079 can't make it private or hidden and just 171 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:15,640 use it on your website that's uncool and 172 00:09:20,829 --> 00:09:18,920 it affects you need to think about how 173 00:09:25,060 --> 00:09:20,839 many people stream onto their websites 174 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:25,070 privately for whatever reason right but 175 00:09:32,980 --> 00:09:30,890 now it has to be public it's uncool so 176 00:09:35,199 --> 00:09:32,990 now I'm in a protest mode what do I do 177 00:09:38,199 --> 00:09:35,209 do I go ahead and leave the bunker cam 178 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:38,209 up and allow them to monetize the 179 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:41,420 livestream over there you know this was 180 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:44,480 a private thing for you guys alright 181 00:09:48,370 --> 00:09:46,399 that's that's what it was it was like 182 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:48,380 this little Club this little community 183 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:51,649 and it's not that if the entire world 184 00:09:58,329 --> 00:09:54,740 can go in and just view it I don't I 185 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:58,339 don't want that I don't I want it just 186 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:00,800 for you and so now I'm up against this 187 00:10:07,509 --> 00:10:04,490 and it's part of this technology this 188 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:07,519 world that we live in now it's gotten so 189 00:10:10,569 --> 00:10:09,230 complex more on that in just a bit but 190 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:10,579 that's why the bunker cameras are 191 00:10:15,699 --> 00:10:13,310 running tonight I could have it run but 192 00:10:17,590 --> 00:10:15,709 then I'm giving in to the man you know 193 00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:17,600 and and I'm 194 00:10:23,829 --> 00:10:20,839 sure that I want to do that so you know 195 00:10:25,569 --> 00:10:23,839 now we can go private completely private 196 00:10:28,569 --> 00:10:25,579 and I can bring in a third party and 197 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:28,579 they can manage it and and we can have a 198 00:10:33,819 --> 00:10:31,250 completely dedicated feed and all of 199 00:10:36,579 --> 00:10:33,829 that cost money you know it's not it's 200 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:36,589 very expensive by the way and that was 201 00:10:41,170 --> 00:10:37,940 one of the things that was so cool about 202 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:41,180 YouTube it was free it was free but but 203 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:43,790 it's not it's not that way anymore it's 204 00:10:49,689 --> 00:10:46,130 uncool and it took us a while to figure 205 00:10:54,490 --> 00:10:49,699 it out and when I did I mean I was 206 00:10:58,030 --> 00:10:54,500 pissed I'm just angry I'm angry I'm 207 00:10:59,710 --> 00:10:58,040 upset because it affects you you know 208 00:11:03,069 --> 00:10:59,720 and that's that's the bottom line here 209 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:03,079 it's just nuts anyway okay moving on you 210 00:11:06,939 --> 00:11:04,370 can email throughout the show though 211 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:06,949 Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm you can 212 00:11:12,009 --> 00:11:09,110 follow me on twitter at jade shirts 213 00:11:17,199 --> 00:11:12,019 radio there are some other alternatives 214 00:11:19,379 --> 00:11:17,209 out there I'm not going to go okay well 215 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:19,389 anyway we are looking at every single 216 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:21,860 possibility I just want to let you know 217 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:24,889 and of course on stellar will have their 218 00:11:29,470 --> 00:11:27,050 own streaming services and we're working 219 00:11:32,439 --> 00:11:29,480 on that now you know and that's that's 220 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:32,449 part of it and I'm telling you if 221 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:35,480 YouTube and Facebook continue down the 222 00:11:40,509 --> 00:11:37,490 road that they're going on all they're 223 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:40,519 doing is helping on stellar so that part 224 00:11:47,170 --> 00:11:43,850 I don't mind but in the meantime we're 225 00:11:50,860 --> 00:11:47,180 in this we're in this purgatory in this 226 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:50,870 zone and it's you that suffers but do I 227 00:11:57,249 --> 00:11:54,880 give in to the man I don't know alright 228 00:12:01,449 --> 00:11:57,259 speaking of face book breaking news 229 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:01,459 Facebook has removed a network of more 230 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:04,040 than 30 Russian linked accounts and 231 00:12:08,590 --> 00:12:06,680 pages involved in organizing political 232 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:08,600 events in the United States the network 233 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:10,610 is the most extensive effort to 234 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:12,560 interfere in American politics at face 235 00:12:17,499 --> 00:12:15,470 book is found and made public ahead of 236 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:17,509 November's midterm elections this is all 237 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:18,980 according to Facebook and it sounds good 238 00:12:25,449 --> 00:12:22,850 on the surface but the removed pages 239 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:25,459 only had two hundred and ninety thousand 240 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:27,529 followers that's all thirty pages 241 00:12:33,819 --> 00:12:31,610 included all in just two hundred 242 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:33,829 ninety thousand followers it doesn't 243 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:35,930 sound like that big of a scheme to meet 244 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:38,990 well it is but two hundred and ninety 245 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:41,120 thousand really the most followed 246 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:45,110 facebook pages were as lan warriors 247 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:48,910 black elevation mindful being and 248 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:51,890 resistors and that's it two hundred 249 00:12:57,579 --> 00:12:53,600 ninety thousand followers thirty pages 250 00:12:59,050 --> 00:12:57,589 oh there you go Facebook is it's trying 251 00:13:03,220 --> 00:12:59,060 to show that they're doing something I 252 00:13:05,650 --> 00:13:03,230 guess I really don't care actually I 253 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:05,660 don't and of course the breaking news 254 00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:07,670 that I've been talking about all week 255 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:09,950 twenty percent discount on all offerings 256 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:13,220 from River Moon coffee that's right 257 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:14,959 they're calling it take a break a coffee 258 00:13:22,030 --> 00:13:18,670 break let's go to River Moon coffee calm 259 00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:22,040 everything is there including fade to 260 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:25,839 black blend dock just use the code 261 00:13:33,550 --> 00:13:30,050 coffee break it's two words yeah I know 262 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:33,560 I see that D Tube not interested I'm not 263 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:36,170 interested I'm not interested I'm not 264 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:39,890 interested in anything but us so it's on 265 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:42,110 stellar and we'll figure it out on our 266 00:13:47,439 --> 00:13:42,380 own 267 00:13:50,439 --> 00:13:47,449 that's it I am so done got to do 268 00:13:53,170 --> 00:13:50,449 everything yourself don't forget to get 269 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:53,180 your meals for soul tech I posted 270 00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:55,730 earlier today and so did Rita 271 00:14:01,420 --> 00:13:57,920 it's like DEFCON five you have until 272 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:01,430 Friday Friday this Friday August third 273 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:03,890 to order your meals I'm letting you know 274 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:07,010 trout lake is a great little town but 275 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:09,649 it's a town of like 25 people there is 276 00:14:15,009 --> 00:14:12,230 no you're not going to go there isn't a 277 00:14:16,750 --> 00:14:15,019 Denny's you're not gonna go off the e 278 00:14:20,319 --> 00:14:16,760 Sadie somewhere and go grab some burgers 279 00:14:24,340 --> 00:14:20,329 it or health food or a vegan restaurant 280 00:14:26,019 --> 00:14:24,350 it doesn't exist does not exist and 281 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:26,029 you're not gonna want to leave the 282 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:27,290 campus anyway you're not gonna want to 283 00:14:34,210 --> 00:14:31,070 leave the ranch so get your food ordered 284 00:14:36,699 --> 00:14:34,220 unless you have you know you got your 285 00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:36,709 camping gear and and you plan on cooking 286 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:40,339 in that tent of for four days or five 287 00:14:45,190 --> 00:14:43,370 days that that's you that's cool I don't 288 00:14:48,490 --> 00:14:45,200 mind that at all 289 00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:48,500 I think that's amazing but you're gonna 290 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:51,260 want to order food okay so get your food 291 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:54,200 ordered Seoul tech gathering calm and 292 00:14:59,740 --> 00:14:57,050 the meal section is right there go and 293 00:15:01,840 --> 00:14:59,750 and get it done please I don't want to 294 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:01,850 have anybody upset oh I thought we could 295 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:03,830 pay for once we got here at the a 296 00:15:08,650 --> 00:15:06,410 caterer has to prep everything and bring 297 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:08,660 everything to ease Eddie that's what 298 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:12,140 they have to do okay so please please 299 00:15:16,990 --> 00:15:16,370 for the caterer peace of mind get your 300 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:17,000 stuff 301 00:15:22,030 --> 00:15:20,030 ordered okay Seoul tech gathering comms 302 00:15:23,770 --> 00:15:22,040 going down next week Rita and I will be 303 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:23,780 there right now 304 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:26,150 tonight one week from tonight we will be 305 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:30,740 at ESET e and now I've got some really 306 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:34,220 cool I got some stargazing binoculars of 307 00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:37,070 course I have the night vision and we're 308 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:41,390 good to go I cannot wait I need one more 309 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:44,530 tripod I got a hit Amazon after the show 310 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:49,310 more tripod and either that or go dig in 311 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:52,250 the garage so there you go you know what 312 00:15:55,690 --> 00:15:54,950 I'm gonna do but we're ready it's gonna 313 00:15:58,990 --> 00:15:55,700 be amazing 314 00:16:01,270 --> 00:15:59,000 Seoul Tech next week and the week after 315 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:01,280 that August 17th through the 19th I will 316 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00:17:25,160 makes the list you know why cuz dude 345 00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:32,370 sold broadcast.com to Yahoo for 5.9 346 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:37,679 billion dollars in 1999 anybody pulls 347 00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:38,780 that off 348 00:17:46,790 --> 00:17:42,059 it makes the birthday list sold a 349 00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:46,800 website for 5.9 billion dollars then he 350 00:17:51,890 --> 00:17:47,880 buys the Mavericks 351 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:51,900 you gotta love Mark Cuban all right our 352 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:53,670 dead guys birthday today is we don't 353 00:18:01,880 --> 00:17:57,690 have one on this day in history OTD 1975 354 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:01,890 Jimmy Hoffa disappears never to be heard 355 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:02,610 from again 356 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:08,880 fader fact vetted dead people can get 357 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:12,750 goosebumps unnerved Jimmy Hoffa did he 358 00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:14,790 like how I tied that together you like 359 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:17,820 that you like that tonight dr. Michael P 360 00:18:23,260 --> 00:18:19,470 masters is here we're gonna talk about 361 00:18:25,790 --> 00:18:23,270 his new book identified flying objects 362 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:25,800 tomorrow night it's Ouija night with 363 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:27,170 Karen a Dallman 364 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:29,490 Thursday night Fator night Jon Rappoport 365 00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:31,890 no more fake newsroom live with special 366 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:34,800 guest Matthew Ryan here all night and 367 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:40,290 taking your calls now these are strange 368 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:42,780 days that we live in I mean there's no 369 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:45,270 doubt about it right the country is 370 00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:47,370 divided listen to this just just sit 371 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:48,990 down and listen to your uncle Jimmy for 372 00:18:59,840 --> 00:18:56,400 a second the world is tripping it's so 373 00:19:05,919 --> 00:18:59,850 out of control right now that we 374 00:19:09,139 --> 00:19:05,929 actually have as a nation as a world 375 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:09,149 we've got issues with the NFL 376 00:19:17,479 --> 00:19:11,849 medians Hollywood the news 377 00:19:20,989 --> 00:19:17,489 harley-davidson et UFOs Washington 378 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:20,999 Canada France the UK Germany North Korea 379 00:19:32,209 --> 00:19:26,609 Iran Isis is back oil prices 380 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:32,219 Russia Tesla guns mass shootings every 381 00:19:44,619 --> 00:19:37,820 day the weather wildfires tornadoes 382 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:44,629 hurricanes CBS NBC ABC disney CNN Fox 383 00:19:54,739 --> 00:19:48,719 right Netflix got in on the action today 384 00:19:58,430 --> 00:19:54,749 with louis farrakhan Amazon Facebook 385 00:20:02,180 --> 00:19:58,440 YouTube on and on and on and on and on 386 00:20:04,639 --> 00:20:02,190 every aspect of our daily lives has been 387 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:04,649 turned upside down all of it go get your 388 00:20:10,369 --> 00:20:07,609 hair cut you're gonna have issues go put 389 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:10,379 air in your tires you're gonna have 390 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:16,710 issues everything is complicated all of 391 00:20:23,779 --> 00:20:20,940 it every aspect of our lives the drama 392 00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:23,789 that we must deal with from the minute 393 00:20:28,459 --> 00:20:25,950 we get up and somehow survived another 394 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:28,469 nerve-racking day is beyond measure I 395 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:31,080 seriously don't know how we do it but 396 00:20:38,659 --> 00:20:34,769 somehow we move forward but let's go 397 00:20:40,249 --> 00:20:38,669 back let's go back to 1998 1999 I just 398 00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:40,259 talked about that Mark Cuban 399 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:45,299 so broadcast.com for 5.9 billion dollars 400 00:20:55,369 --> 00:20:50,960 to Yahoo in 1999 those are the good days 401 00:20:57,109 --> 00:20:55,379 but back then we had the Millennium was 402 00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:57,119 coming up right fast approaching year 403 00:21:03,859 --> 00:21:01,559 2000 and there were many people out 404 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:03,869 there and I was reading in so are you 405 00:21:11,629 --> 00:21:07,700 and watching it talking about prophecy 406 00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,639 yes we had the Mayan stuff but there was 407 00:21:17,539 --> 00:21:14,159 Egyptian and Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce 408 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:17,549 and Biblical things and Inca and Hopi 409 00:21:25,089 --> 00:21:20,690 and it was just as everybody 410 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:25,099 had a take on the year 2000 it was all 411 00:21:31,419 --> 00:21:29,450 there it was a it was it was crazy and 412 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:31,429 everyone was talking about the big 413 00:21:38,019 --> 00:21:34,460 things at the time that were suggesting 414 00:21:41,289 --> 00:21:38,029 these end of days right and if you go 415 00:21:44,229 --> 00:21:41,299 back and you look at like I did and I 416 00:21:49,619 --> 00:21:44,239 have and you go back and look at the 417 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:49,629 headlines in 98 go check it out 99 Iraq 418 00:22:00,249 --> 00:21:56,830 was a really big deal it was huge 419 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:00,259 which ultimately didn't ignite World War 420 00:22:08,859 --> 00:22:05,450 three and if you think about it the way 421 00:22:11,889 --> 00:22:08,869 that yeah I know 500,000 troops Iraq war 422 00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:11,899 lasted for days right swept across the 423 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:15,080 country whatever and and Saddam you know 424 00:22:18,899 --> 00:22:16,849 ultimately who was caught hiding you 425 00:22:21,369 --> 00:22:18,909 know in a hole with a bunch of porn 426 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:21,379 right and it turned out to be not this 427 00:22:28,419 --> 00:22:24,799 this crazy bloodthirsty might have been 428 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:28,429 while he was walking but ultimately it 429 00:22:34,629 --> 00:22:31,849 wasn't the end of days was it I hate 430 00:22:37,419 --> 00:22:34,639 Scud missiles flying into Israel it was 431 00:22:42,879 --> 00:22:37,429 gonna be the end of everything and it 432 00:22:43,869 --> 00:22:42,889 didn't happen it didn't aids aids was 433 00:22:47,739 --> 00:22:43,879 huge 434 00:22:49,149 --> 00:22:47,749 just like Ebola and what we go through 435 00:22:51,849 --> 00:22:49,159 today you know there's always you know 436 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:51,859 and I'm not saying AIDS isn't a big deal 437 00:22:58,629 --> 00:22:56,450 I'm saying that back then it was part of 438 00:23:04,359 --> 00:22:58,639 the end of times that's what I'm 439 00:23:08,139 --> 00:23:04,369 referring to the stock market right the 440 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:08,149 economy this was all end of times stuff 441 00:23:14,619 --> 00:23:10,940 the world politics that was going on 442 00:23:17,259 --> 00:23:14,629 back then the way that it read back then 443 00:23:20,769 --> 00:23:17,269 and you tie all of that into the year 444 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:20,779 2000 you not only had the Bible side of 445 00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,710 it but the technology side and y2k 446 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:26,720 remember that remember the stress that 447 00:23:34,919 --> 00:23:30,440 we were under it was crazy the year 2000 448 00:23:39,399 --> 00:23:34,929 who and everybody had an opinion about 449 00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:39,409 but back then the world was on edge and 450 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:42,590 it was nervous but as I look back at the 451 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:44,090 different prophecies and the people 452 00:23:50,769 --> 00:23:47,210 spouting out about it all well not only 453 00:23:58,810 --> 00:23:50,779 was everyone wrong but the issues were 454 00:24:04,240 --> 00:23:58,820 so simple 1999 and what led up to it was 455 00:24:08,019 --> 00:24:04,250 just vanilla it was easy-peasy seriously 456 00:24:10,899 --> 00:24:08,029 think about it today we are dealing with 457 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:10,909 some pretty serious and complex issues 458 00:24:17,139 --> 00:24:14,320 all day every day all around the world 459 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:17,149 it doesn't matter what part of your life 460 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:18,700 that you want to take a look at 461 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:21,470 everything has just spun out of control 462 00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:25,970 and we have done it to ourselves we 463 00:24:33,010 --> 00:24:28,460 asked for it well sort of it was also 464 00:24:35,139 --> 00:24:33,020 sold to us too but we bought it the 465 00:24:38,289 --> 00:24:35,149 Fitbit Bluetooth mobile streaming 466 00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:38,299 connected Wi-Fi smart thingy that is us 467 00:24:45,389 --> 00:24:42,440 today it's nuts our phones cars TVs 468 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:45,399 watches billboards cable satellite our 469 00:24:52,690 --> 00:24:48,620 disconnected existence our banks life 470 00:24:54,909 --> 00:24:52,700 cards payments pretend credit cards 471 00:24:58,570 --> 00:24:54,919 uber entertainment friends news 472 00:25:04,690 --> 00:24:58,580 information involve inform for 24/7 473 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:04,700 it's crazy everybody else's problems are 474 00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:07,570 now yours 475 00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:10,880 think about it they're yours to share 476 00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,360 yours to experience and get involved in 477 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:15,919 and you don't have a choice 478 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:18,140 all of it from all around the world 479 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:22,190 people you don't even know I look around 480 00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,640 and watch literally everybody that I see 481 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:27,679 checking their cell phones every couple 482 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:30,770 of minutes everybody no exceptions all 483 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:33,950 day long for what do you actually think 484 00:25:39,870 --> 00:25:36,020 that the world changed in the last two 485 00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:39,880 minutes since the last time you checked 486 00:25:46,419 --> 00:25:43,820 seriously did you get that life altering 487 00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:46,429 email or text that you didn't have two 488 00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,260 minutes ago 489 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:50,960 if there was ever an example of chaos 490 00:25:58,750 --> 00:25:53,570 and entropy this is it 491 00:26:04,620 --> 00:25:58,760 our day to day minute by minute I was 492 00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:04,630 was life that I it's it's organized 493 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:09,620 it's run by software it's it's organized 494 00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:12,890 minute by minute every day by 495 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:16,309 engineering so complex that nobody 496 00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:21,640 actually knows everything nobody it runs 497 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:27,200 by luck nobody knows everything nobody 498 00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:30,140 knows the banking industry it's insanity 499 00:26:36,909 --> 00:26:33,140 no but nobody knows how it works the 500 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:36,919 stock market nuts the military don't go 501 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:37,370 there 502 00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:40,730 satellites mobile tech the net do you 503 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:43,160 know how complex and insane DirecTV 504 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:44,150 really is 505 00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:48,650 well you don't trust me it's insanity 506 00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:52,190 and that's one little sliver teeny tiny 507 00:27:01,810 --> 00:26:56,620 bit of this complex thing that we wanted 508 00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:01,820 we chose this it all happens so fast and 509 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:04,309 it's gotten so crazy that when it falls 510 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:07,640 apart and it will that'll be the end of 511 00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:12,470 times you will wish and I'm not joking 512 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:15,740 mark my words this is not funny haha 513 00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:21,290 stuff you will wish it was 1999 with y2k 514 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:27,200 Saddam and Monica's blue dress we can 515 00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:30,290 prevent it though we don't have to have 516 00:27:38,289 --> 00:27:34,760 panic we don't have to have fear porn we 517 00:27:42,850 --> 00:27:38,299 don't we just have to start to slow down 518 00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:42,860 a little slow this down we have to 519 00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,460 figure out how we got here and where we 520 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:50,000 need to go we built it too fast and we 521 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,130 didn't understand the implications and 522 00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,760 if it crashes we crash hard we have to 523 00:28:02,080 --> 00:27:59,120 study it we have to talk about it we 524 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,090 have to consider what is really going on 525 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:04,880 and what our future will be because if 526 00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:08,630 it falls apart we are in the end of 527 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,390 times only 18 years have passed only 18 528 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:17,600 years since the year 2000 look where we 529 00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:21,580 are today and now what we have is 530 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:27,380 fighting divisive nosov not only society 531 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,130 here but around the world and we don't 532 00:28:34,830 --> 00:28:33,740 understand why and I'm telling you what 533 00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:34,840 it is 534 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:38,840 seriously this is fade to black I'm your 535 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:41,630 host Jimmy Church it is gonna be one of 536 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:43,670 those shows tonight because we have dr. 537 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:47,350 Michael P masters here and his new book 538 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:51,740 identified flying objects I'm yours to 539 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:54,410 be Church follow me on Twitter at J 540 00:29:05,260 --> 00:28:58,330 Church radio simple on the GameChanger 541 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:05,270 network and kg ra the planet I'll be 542 00:29:08,910 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00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:30,169 favorite ke tra hosts click the contest 600 00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:33,230 a bit k GRA radio.com for your chance to 601 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:35,870 win big this summer your contact for the 602 00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:37,970 best alternative talk radio on the 603 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:44,349 [Music] 604 00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:47,190 hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and 605 00:33:10,420 --> 00:32:54,529 what opens combats and we're listening 606 00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,760 all right welcome back paid to block I'm 607 00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:15,600 real shimmy Church you can follow me on 608 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:18,620 twitter at GH radio you can follow 609 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,530 doctor Michael P masters and his his 610 00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:24,750 twitter handle is cool I think it's more 611 00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:27,030 phone time that you can find it right 612 00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:28,280 there we've got it up in Twitter 613 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:30,390 tomorrow night I want to remind 614 00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,370 everybody we're gonna do easy board live 615 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:35,880 on the air for the first time so you're 616 00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:37,610 not gonna want to miss that 617 00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:40,830 with Karen a dolmen Thursday open lines 618 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:43,920 Fator night Jon Rappoport with our very 619 00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:46,110 special guest Matthew Ryan who's gonna 620 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:48,540 be here to help me man the phone's all 621 00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,490 night long but tonight I've been waiting 622 00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:53,760 for this show for a very long time it's 623 00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:55,910 dr. Michael P masters he is a professor 624 00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,700 professor of a biological anthropology 625 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:03,120 at Montana Tech in Butte Montana he 626 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:05,610 received a PhD in anthropology from Ohio 627 00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,370 State University in 2009 where he 628 00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:10,679 specialized in hominin evolutionary 629 00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,190 anatomy archeology and biomedicine over 630 00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:16,679 the years dr. masters has developed a 631 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,629 broad academic background which began 632 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,060 studying physics and astronomy at Ohio 633 00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:24,060 University in Athens Ohio with further 634 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:26,520 undergraduate and graduate coursework in 635 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:29,850 astrobiology astronomy and physics along 636 00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,490 with a perennial review of developments 637 00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:34,159 in classical and quantum physics 638 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:36,260 regarding our ever-evolving 639 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:39,840 understanding of time and time travel 640 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:42,990 and his forthcoming book identified 641 00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,810 flying objects dr. masters cautiously 642 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:48,419 examines the premise that UFOs and 643 00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:53,370 aliens are well possibly us but I have 644 00:35:02,480 --> 00:34:56,820 to ask from where our guest tonight is 645 00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:02,490 dr. Michael P masters dr. Michael yes 646 00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,120 and welcome to the show now before we 647 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:09,660 move forward I do do I go with dr. do I 648 00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:13,920 go with professor do I go with dr. 649 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:17,160 masters just call me Mike I just call 650 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,030 you Mike okay that's simple and we'll 651 00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:22,250 need to do our first-time guests 652 00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:23,960 disclaimer the next time you're on the 653 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:26,360 show we're not gonna do it but we're 654 00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:28,130 gonna do it now which is it's just you 655 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:30,200 nice sitting on my couch having a 656 00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:31,820 conversation as friends and where the 657 00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:33,980 conversation starts it starts where it 658 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:36,140 ends it ends both Morgan and his friends 659 00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:37,940 there you go you're right let's get to 660 00:35:46,810 --> 00:35:43,790 Maine now you know with this show and 661 00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:46,820 the things that I talk about and the 662 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:49,640 things that you not only write about but 663 00:35:54,970 --> 00:35:52,300 you have been studying and researching 664 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:54,980 or all the things that I cover in this 665 00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:58,370 show but we all know Mike that this 666 00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:00,950 isn't what professors are supposed to be 667 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:02,660 out there talking about in researching 668 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:07,600 it is it difficult or or do you not care 669 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:12,310 no I cared for a long time I still care 670 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:16,070 naturally yeah there's been a division 671 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:18,410 that's grown a rift if you will between 672 00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:22,370 the academic scientific side of things 673 00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:26,480 and in ufology and in other ways of 674 00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:28,520 studying this phenomenon and a big 675 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:30,260 purpose of this book is to bring those 676 00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:33,110 together and the bridge that unnecessary 677 00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:35,660 divide I don't feel like it needs to be 678 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:37,670 there and I feel like it should be more 679 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:40,450 about collaboration and cooperation and 680 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:43,700 one of competition and divisions that 681 00:36:50,050 --> 00:36:45,710 many of which have been artificially 682 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:50,060 imposed from a number of different 683 00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,630 sources but I feel like this book yeah 684 00:36:59,050 --> 00:36:56,000 it does a good job of sort of walking 685 00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:59,060 that fine line in it I mean it was tough 686 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:01,400 for a long time I didn't really talk 687 00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:02,930 about it with my colleagues I didn't 688 00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:05,600 talk about it with my peers and then it 689 00:37:09,940 --> 00:37:07,790 got to the point you know after I was a 690 00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:09,950 few years into writing that I realized 691 00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:12,590 that it's it's a pretty legitimate 692 00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:15,230 approach to this question and the 693 00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:17,390 science is solid the research is solid 694 00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:19,340 and ever since I've started talking 695 00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:20,900 about it I've actually been really 696 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:23,320 pleasantly surprised that that people 697 00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:25,970 have not only expressed interest but 698 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:29,840 have been really supportive on the 699 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:32,150 academic side with with my scholarly 700 00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:33,770 peers and 701 00:37:39,099 --> 00:37:35,840 it's been a really really nice surprise 702 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:39,109 very encouraging and just kind of kept 703 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:41,210 me going and getting to the end of it 704 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:43,570 the books actually been peer reviewed by 705 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:46,609 by three different PhDs 706 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:49,250 one of whom top quantum mechanics and 707 00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,320 theoretical physics for over 20 years 708 00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:54,320 another biological anthropologist PhD 709 00:37:59,020 --> 00:37:56,840 another PhD in microbiology and 710 00:38:01,720 --> 00:37:59,030 immunology and they all had really 711 00:38:03,970 --> 00:38:01,730 positive comments number of things that 712 00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:03,980 I did end up changing because of what 713 00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,590 they they suggested some things that may 714 00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:08,480 have been a little too speculative that 715 00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:10,790 I kind of pulled back and toned down a 716 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:14,390 little bit but overall they they were 717 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:17,510 quite encouraging comments and it's it's 718 00:38:21,339 --> 00:38:19,550 kind of made me even more excited to get 719 00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:21,349 this out there well they put their name 720 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:24,920 on the book I think they would haven't 721 00:38:29,170 --> 00:38:27,380 asked him that question but yeah I 722 00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:29,180 imagine that they would well you know 723 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:33,830 the UFO community needs it and the more 724 00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:36,770 when you look at like you know I always 725 00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,320 think of you know dr. Robert Schoch who 726 00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,560 who has turned into a you know a really 727 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:44,960 good friend not only with me personally 728 00:38:50,849 --> 00:38:49,250 but this show in our community and he he 729 00:38:54,370 --> 00:38:50,859 rolled the dice and took a huge gamble 730 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,380 with with what he did he waited until he 731 00:39:01,810 --> 00:38:57,440 was tenured then yeah and then the 732 00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,820 Sphynx stuff came out but he is one of 733 00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:03,920 the leading voices and and for our 734 00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:07,160 community we we need that kind of 735 00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:10,609 support from from those from academia 736 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:14,599 that understand what academia is and the 737 00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,760 fight that we are and the alternative 738 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:19,599 views that are largely ignored and 739 00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:22,730 that's why we need you now is your next 740 00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:29,599 book about Atlantis a long way from 741 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:32,359 thinking about the next one this book is 742 00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:35,690 is taken away my summer in many ways in 743 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:37,430 the summer before in the summer before 744 00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:41,050 in the summer before so maybe some day 745 00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:43,820 now 746 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:47,880 okay we're gonna talk UFOs for the 747 00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:52,290 majority of the evening tonight but if 748 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:54,990 you were actually sitting on my couch 749 00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:58,800 and with your background I'm not so sure 750 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,380 I would talk about UFOs you know what I 751 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:04,560 would talk about I would talk about the 752 00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,030 missing missing link or or us or how we 753 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,480 got here because that's another piece of 754 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:14,880 this puzzle that is actually connected 755 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,250 in a very strange way because of the way 756 00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:19,800 that you approached this book yeah 757 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:21,180 that's a very important part of it 758 00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:24,330 absolutely it is it really is and when I 759 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:28,500 look at okay yes or no did Darwin just 760 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:31,650 completely have it wrong oh no not at 761 00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:34,530 all he actually did a really good job of 762 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:36,600 pulling a bunch of pieces together in 763 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,190 fact it was his grandfather Erasmus 764 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:40,380 Darwin who sort of laid the foundation 765 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,410 for what he did but his travels around 766 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:45,660 the HMS Beagle around the world he 767 00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,090 noticed adapt ation and various 768 00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,400 organisms that was clearly an adaptation 769 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:52,980 in their environment and looking at the 770 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:55,410 finches on the Galapagos and and pulling 771 00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,050 together all of this massive research he 772 00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:00,300 was able to show how nature selects 773 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:02,430 winners and selects against losers and 774 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:04,080 then those genes are passed on and you 775 00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,390 get more of those individuals in the 776 00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:09,240 next generation and okay that party got 777 00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:15,600 right that party got right but us you 778 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,390 and I Homo sapiens saved us though the 779 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:20,720 ones that are sitting here now 780 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:23,940 where are the millions of years of 781 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:27,570 evolution that got us here we just 782 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:31,920 appeared and that that I I just can't 783 00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:34,530 wrap my head around that we 200 thousand 784 00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:37,800 years ago here we are beautiful perfect 785 00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:40,350 perfect forehead and jaw and nose and 786 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:45,540 and no hair it's like yeah hey we just 787 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:48,780 appeared well I mean it the fossil 788 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,250 record certainly makes it look like 789 00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:52,560 appearance this happened because any 790 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,870 time you're digging back through time 791 00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:56,460 there's gonna be sampling an air you 792 00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,390 just you can't 793 00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:01,040 every year represented 794 00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:04,230 partly because of geology erosion things 795 00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:05,940 that happen that make them disappear but 796 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:07,800 if you go back to about six to eight 797 00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,530 million years ago when we first became 798 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:12,560 hominins when we first became bipedal 799 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:17,820 upright human-like beings with our topic 800 00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:20,130 is ramidus the australopithecines there 801 00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:21,870 were six different versions of them and 802 00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,060 then you can kind of piece together 803 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:26,160 these incremental changes that took 804 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,810 place over time where the biggest ones 805 00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:29,280 of course being our brains getting 806 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:32,190 bigger our face is getting smaller less 807 00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,550 becoming more upright obviously becoming 808 00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:37,980 more intelligent developing culture 809 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,360 things like that but even going back to 810 00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,300 hundred thousand years ago preceding us 811 00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,300 were a number of well Homo 812 00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:47,460 heidelbergensis being a good example 813 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:50,760 Homo rudolfensis they were just before 814 00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:53,370 modern humans and in fact led to the 815 00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:55,020 split between modern humans and 816 00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:57,030 Neanderthals and Denisovans that lived 817 00:43:01,310 --> 00:42:59,610 in Europe and Central Asia so there were 818 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:01,320 still continuations there were other 819 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,970 species there were the little hobbits 820 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:05,520 that evolved on the island of Flores in 821 00:43:10,610 --> 00:43:08,370 Southeast Asia so there was continuity 822 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:10,620 there it definitely appears as though we 823 00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:11,910 just appeared and if you look at the 824 00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,340 genetics it sort of indicates that more 825 00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:17,040 - but as far as the fossil morphology it 826 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:18,870 was definitely a continual progression 827 00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,050 into modern humans from those what we 828 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:24,960 call archaic homo forms but the proper 829 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:27,690 and I agree with everything that you 830 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:31,170 just said including we just appeared it 831 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:35,610 appears that way and genetics also state 832 00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:42,450 that - I I don't see us the I don't see 833 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:45,630 all of the millions of years that it 834 00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:48,690 would have taken for our forehead to 835 00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:51,660 form you know I I did that I don't see 836 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:53,550 the connection between cro-magnon and 837 00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:57,090 Neanderthal or Australia of Pittacus for 838 00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:00,180 instance there's I look I look at all of 839 00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:02,670 that and I don't see any connection to 840 00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,060 us another big problem is that in having 841 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:08,880 to classify us as anatomically modern 842 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:11,310 Homo sapiens we have to pick 843 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:13,650 traits that make us distinct so when we 844 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:17,220 say that the formation of a forehead or 845 00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,170 the formation of a mental eminence which 846 00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:21,240 is the chin but when those things occur 847 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:24,840 we're stating that and we're imposing it 848 00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,090 on this group when really they were 849 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,460 developing slowly I mean you can see I'm 850 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:31,200 looking at a whole series of skulls 851 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:32,730 sitting on my shelf in my office right 852 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:34,650 now and you can see that forehead 853 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:37,530 growing across them you can see the the 854 00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:39,210 teeth starting to recede which is where 855 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:40,620 we got the chin from it didn't anything 856 00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:42,930 to do with our lower jaw was just our 857 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:45,630 teeth receding past where the mandible 858 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:47,610 comes together there and and those 859 00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:49,290 things you can see as incremental 860 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:51,840 changes across those various species and 861 00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:55,200 for you how would you explain I need to 862 00:45:03,280 --> 00:44:59,060 hear this how do you explain us just 863 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:03,290 magically appearing 200,000 years ago I 864 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:07,050 it's sort of it's something that I've 865 00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:10,050 almost come to fisticuffs over cake 866 00:45:13,610 --> 00:45:11,960 parties in graduate school we 867 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:13,620 anthropologists tend to fight with each 868 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:15,180 other about some pretty weird and 869 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:16,770 esoteric things but that's one of them 870 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:18,870 it's it comes down to this debate called 871 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:20,910 the Out of Africa versus the 872 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:23,250 multi-regional hypothesis and and what 873 00:45:26,330 --> 00:45:24,810 you're talking about is the Out of 874 00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:26,340 Africa that two hundred thousand years 875 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:29,630 ago our species formed only in Africa 876 00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:32,370 spread out killed off the Neanderthals 877 00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:34,950 killed off the Denisovans went eastward 878 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:37,110 killed off all of the archaic forms over 879 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,890 there and I and actually many of my 880 00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:44,160 colleagues the ones that I didn't murder 881 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,550 at keg parties I guess actually adhere 882 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:49,680 to the the Maudie regional hypothesis 883 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:52,290 that we evolved slowly in each of these 884 00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:54,330 different areas except for the 885 00:45:58,310 --> 00:45:56,670 Neanderthals we did kill them off but in 886 00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:58,320 each of these other areas we evolved 887 00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:00,900 slowly from the archaic homo forms into 888 00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:03,540 modern homo sapiens sapiens and gene 889 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:06,060 flow the interbreeding amongst all of 890 00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,650 these groups spread throughout the old 891 00:46:13,340 --> 00:46:10,140 world is what kept that genetic 892 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:13,350 homogeneity so so under that model it 893 00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,510 wasn't all of a sudden at all under the 894 00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:18,300 African the Out of Africa model which is 895 00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:20,910 mostly backed up by the genetic data it 896 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:23,310 does appear that we just formed in that 897 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:24,690 one continent 898 00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:26,760 spread out to the other parts and and 899 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:28,260 most almost everyone would agree 900 00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:30,089 regardless of which side you're on 901 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:32,670 that we did spread out and Europe and 902 00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,310 kill off the Neanderthals there no then 903 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,160 how do we explain and I know this starts 904 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:41,520 to get a little fringy but how do we 905 00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:44,700 explain the miracle of the chromosome 906 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:50,190 count what do you mean that one fewer 907 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:52,890 than fancy that's right I mean that's 908 00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:55,410 that's crazy and I don't know how much 909 00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:57,990 genetic information is involved with a 910 00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,060 couple of chromosomes but it's a 911 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:02,520 tremendous amount of information that is 912 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:05,609 dense and certain chromosomes right that 913 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:10,770 we technically are lacking yeah I 914 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,810 remember exactly what you want I think 915 00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:15,000 it was the second or third second and 916 00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:17,190 third right is that right it's been a 917 00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:18,599 while since I've looked at that but they 918 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,270 they fused at some point and yeah you're 919 00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:23,970 right if there's a chromosomal change 920 00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,859 and pretty much any I mean trisomy 21 921 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,500 Down syndrome is an extra chromosome at 922 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:31,859 the xxi locus but with those two it 923 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:33,930 didn't seem to have a negative impact 924 00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:37,530 and eventually became so common in that 925 00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:39,750 population where that mutation initially 926 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,660 occurred that it just became fixed in 927 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:45,300 human populations so so yeah you're 928 00:47:49,339 --> 00:47:46,560 right if that would have happened on any 929 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,349 other ones that individual would have 930 00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,200 died yeah but that individual not only 931 00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:54,900 didn't die they'd just by probably the 932 00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:56,790 luck of the draw happen to make a ton of 933 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:00,060 babies after that and their ancestor or 934 00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,530 their descendants rather made more 935 00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:03,480 babies and and it just became a 936 00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,099 characteristic of humans that 937 00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:07,380 differentiates us from from the common 938 00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:09,630 chimpanzee how do you think that would 939 00:48:14,059 --> 00:48:13,230 occur in nature you know the fusing of 940 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,069 chromosomes 941 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,800 I mean that's it almost seems like it 942 00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:20,160 was deliberate well I don't know I mean 943 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,339 it there's so much reproduction that 944 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:26,400 happens with every animal over I mean 945 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:28,310 we're talking millions of years and if 946 00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:31,140 enough things are making babies and 947 00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,440 there's enough at least in eukaryotes 948 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:36,480 there's enough enough sperm and egg 949 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:38,010 coming together and 950 00:48:42,849 --> 00:48:41,220 in replicating and crossing over and 951 00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:42,859 then through the process of meiosis 952 00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:45,750 making a new individual there's a lot 953 00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,260 that can go wrong in that process and it 954 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,000 very well could be something that 955 00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:54,480 happened naturally and just just by the 956 00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,550 look of the draw kept going I don't 957 00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:58,680 think it has anything to do with with 958 00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:00,510 what makes us human we we don't really 959 00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:02,100 talk about it as something that was 960 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:04,380 important to human evolution it's more 961 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,050 just in the context of something that 962 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:09,480 differentiates us from chimps because I 963 00:49:14,590 --> 00:49:12,690 mean other than that we we share 98% of 964 00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:14,600 the same DNA it's just that one 965 00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:16,619 chromosomal difference but if you look 966 00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:18,180 at you know like a blue whale they have 967 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,460 a hundred and forty-six chromosomes or 968 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:22,140 something like that so if we go back to 969 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:25,500 the common ancestor with a blue whale 970 00:49:30,859 --> 00:49:28,290 some 60 million years ago we had the 971 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:30,869 same number then - and just over time we 972 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,530 lost some they gained some so I mean 973 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,900 across all of the different organisms on 974 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:38,760 Earth it's definitely possible that 975 00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:42,180 these things happen and that one just 976 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:45,960 kind of happened I guess yeah and so for 977 00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,930 me this is where your book gets 978 00:49:51,740 --> 00:49:50,520 interesting and we're going to jump into 979 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:51,750 that and we'll pick it up after the 980 00:50:00,590 --> 00:49:57,570 break but could it be that we are us 981 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:00,600 from the future that somebody from the 982 00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:05,040 future altered those chromosomes and and 983 00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:10,230 and just planted us here 200,000 years 984 00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:17,400 ago planted I would say no because there 985 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:20,820 is that whole continual gradual change 986 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:22,890 that takes place that we can clearly see 987 00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,050 in the fossil record but the less the 988 00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:30,800 last chapter of the book does get into 989 00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:33,840 some of the things that come with time 990 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:37,859 travel if we are coming back from the 991 00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:39,930 future to study us in the past which is 992 00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,119 exactly what I would do as an 993 00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,680 anthropologist specifically I'm a 994 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:45,660 paleoanthropologist who has worked at 995 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:47,910 fossil sites in South Africa and France 996 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:51,450 and other places if I had a time machine 997 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:53,460 you better believe I would be hopping in 998 00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:55,170 that thing and going back to look at 999 00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,540 these guys because when you're 1000 00:51:01,280 --> 00:50:59,280 archaeologists brekkie and work you're 1001 00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,290 you're digging through layers of dirt in 1002 00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,420 South Africa we're blasting through the 1003 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:05,700 spreadsheet at Rock in order to pull out 1004 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:08,040 these bones and and piece together our 1005 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:10,050 fossil history if we could just go back 1006 00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:13,740 and and look at them and study them I 1007 00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:16,350 would guarantee you every anthropologist 1008 00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:18,150 alive right now would say well yeah we'd 1009 00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:23,220 do that so once we get into that issue 1010 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,830 if these are what I like to call extra 1011 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:28,160 tempest riyals rather than 1012 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:30,450 extraterrestrials which you know that I 1013 00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:32,850 think it's Latin or Greek terror meaning 1014 00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:35,820 earth taunt meaning time if they are 1015 00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:39,240 indeed extra tempest riyals once we have 1016 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:44,910 access to our human ancestors what what 1017 00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,920 would we do what wouldn't we do I mean 1018 00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:48,960 there's there's ethical questions 1019 00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:51,950 involved there's issues of of 1020 00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:54,750 manipulating ourselves in the past 1021 00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:57,030 there's issues of of perceived time 1022 00:52:02,240 --> 00:51:59,130 paradoxes which would be great to talk 1023 00:52:04,550 --> 00:52:02,250 about em didn't break - right there it 1024 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:04,560 makes you ask a lot of new questions 1025 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:08,010 about what sort of things we would do I 1026 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:09,810 mean cattle mutations were they just 1027 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:11,730 hungry and they didn't have cows in the 1028 00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:13,770 future I I mean who knows there's 1029 00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:16,560 there's a lot of extra questions that 1030 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:18,870 are raised by that and and whether or 1031 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:21,930 not we are actively messing with our 1032 00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:24,930 genome in the past or now or whatever it 1033 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:26,760 is an interesting question you look at 1034 00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:29,040 abduction reports and and many of them 1035 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:32,070 involve gamete extraction for men with 1036 00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,770 those little machines that cause instant 1037 00:52:38,660 --> 00:52:37,200 ejaculation and babies being implanted 1038 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:38,670 in women and then taken out later 1039 00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:39,930 there's there's a lot of stories like 1040 00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:44,460 that and that in itself raises questions 1041 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:48,720 about what if any not necessarily a 1042 00:52:54,740 --> 00:52:51,210 manipulation of past human genomes but 1043 00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,750 what study of it or you know possibly 1044 00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:56,700 using it in the future and that's 1045 00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,310 something that one of my peer reviewers 1046 00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:02,400 mentioned and in talking about that is 1047 00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:04,020 there have been a lot of bottlenecks 1048 00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:05,390 through 1049 00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:07,700 the human past and if it comes to a 1050 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:10,190 point where our genetic variability is 1051 00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:12,050 limited it makes us extremely vulnerable 1052 00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:15,470 to a lot of different diseases and and 1053 00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:18,110 other sorts of natural disasters and 1054 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:19,430 natural phenomenon that could 1055 00:53:23,830 --> 00:53:21,530 potentially wipe out the human race so 1056 00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:23,840 if we were faced with a bottleneck at 1057 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:26,030 some point I mean you were talking a lot 1058 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:28,010 about why it's UK and you know the 1059 00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:29,810 destruction that could happen to 1060 00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:31,790 humanity and and it is a real concern 1061 00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:34,100 it's a real fear if we all start 1062 00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:35,470 launching nukes at each other 1063 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:37,790 inevitably some of us will survive and 1064 00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:40,250 in fact if this theory about our 1065 00:53:44,530 --> 00:53:42,560 time-traveling descendants is accurate 1066 00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:44,540 it's pretty good indication that we will 1067 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:48,800 but once we get to that point if there 1068 00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:50,930 is a genetic bottleneck and we need 1069 00:53:56,590 --> 00:53:53,540 extra variation and we have the 1070 00:53:59,710 --> 00:53:56,600 technology to travel to the past why not 1071 00:54:02,710 --> 00:53:59,720 you know why not take some some genetic 1072 00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,720 material from past human populations 1073 00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:05,680 that would add new genetic variants to 1074 00:54:11,860 --> 00:54:09,200 an isolated almost temporal island 1075 00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:11,870 population in the future right and help 1076 00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:13,880 bolster that that genetic variability 1077 00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:16,280 once again so yeah I don't know I mean 1078 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:18,230 it's that that's the more speculative 1079 00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:20,570 chapter in the book for sure but and as 1080 00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,550 as much as I have really focused on just 1081 00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:27,920 what we what we can know what we can 1082 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:31,040 know now the last two chapters of the 1083 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:33,370 book get into more of those questions 1084 00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:36,770 regarding what if you know what what 1085 00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:38,900 would be still rooted in our 1086 00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:42,140 understanding of long-term evolutionary 1087 00:54:50,350 --> 00:54:45,350 change in hominins and other animals but 1088 00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:50,360 but also still trying to get it an 1089 00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:52,820 explanation for many of the things that 1090 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:55,190 are commonly reported in close 1091 00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:56,990 encounters and especially abduction 1092 00:55:01,600 --> 00:54:58,910 reports like why would we be doing these 1093 00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:01,610 things what if we had that technology in 1094 00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:04,940 the future what might be the reason 1095 00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:07,910 behind it and I'll admit that that much 1096 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:11,060 of that is speculative it's it's not 1097 00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:15,770 actually it's not if you really look at 1098 00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:20,190 it's not because you yourself you go on 1099 00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,190 digs around the world and you have 1100 00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:25,440 friends and co-workers that are out 1101 00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:27,870 there looking for new species and and 1102 00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:30,270 and and whatnot and if you're down in 1103 00:55:34,850 --> 00:55:33,270 the jungles in Brazil and you find a 1104 00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:34,860 news you're gonna bag it you're gonna 1105 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:36,870 take it you're gonna bring it back 1106 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:38,370 you're gonna research you're gonna look 1107 00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:42,810 at it maybe even kill it and and study 1108 00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,510 it and open it up well that's exactly 1109 00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:48,480 what is going on right now you're not I 1110 00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:50,100 don't think you're reaching at all I 1111 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,100 think it's just what we do yeah no 1112 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:55,200 that's a good point and and if you don't 1113 00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:57,690 ask you you can't know I mean maybe I'll 1114 00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,060 write something and there that that a 1115 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:02,640 physicist or a geneticist will be able 1116 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:05,370 to add to in the future and that's the 1117 00:56:10,310 --> 00:56:07,620 whole essence of science is building 1118 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:10,320 this collective knowledge over time that 1119 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:13,050 we're adding to and adding to and and 1120 00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:14,970 some of us are wrong many of it most of 1121 00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:17,880 us are wrong but in that process of 1122 00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:20,310 being wrong we get at right answers and 1123 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:23,000 when I'm teaching about the history of 1124 00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,430 evolution we talk about this guy named 1125 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:29,280 jean-baptiste lamarck he was so right 1126 00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:31,410 about so many things that have to do 1127 00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,660 with biological evolution it was very 1128 00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:35,760 wrong about the most important ones but 1129 00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,190 his being wrong was still enough for 1130 00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:41,160 Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace to put 1131 00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:43,620 together the pieces to get it right the 1132 00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:45,840 next time so I think it's important to 1133 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:49,080 still ask and still talk about it and I 1134 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:51,690 preface you know that part of the book 1135 00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,170 in that context I actually enjoyed very 1136 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,960 much bashing immunologists and their 1137 00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,240 inability to make effective flu vaccines 1138 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:03,150 because their job is to predict what 1139 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:05,490 strain of the flu is going to be the 1140 00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:07,530 most prolific that year and it kind of 1141 00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:09,030 seems like they get it wrong most of the 1142 00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,620 time but they're still allowed to 1143 00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:12,720 speculate the weatherman is allowed to 1144 00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:16,950 speculate but we don't bash them for it 1145 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:19,560 so I you know I don't put them out as a 1146 00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:21,330 human shield I don't try to hide behind 1147 00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:23,880 that but I do acknowledge that there's I 1148 00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,000 mean astrobiology is is a very well 1149 00:57:31,339 --> 00:57:29,339 respected field but a lot of it's still 1150 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:31,349 very much rooted in speculations so it 1151 00:57:37,789 --> 00:57:35,369 all of it is in speculation yeah a great 1152 00:57:39,380 --> 00:57:37,799 a great deal of it and yes yes part of 1153 00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:39,390 science you know it's pushing it forward 1154 00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:41,460 it's asking questions that's reaching 1155 00:57:46,339 --> 00:57:43,529 other people and their knowledge to 1156 00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,349 really get at something deeper well why 1157 00:57:51,229 --> 00:57:49,200 is it we've got one minute before the 1158 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:51,239 break you can give me the quick answer 1159 00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:52,650 we'll pick up after the break 1160 00:58:01,099 --> 00:57:58,170 why is it that professional academia it 1161 00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:01,109 is too afraid to step outside of the box 1162 00:58:06,259 --> 00:58:04,140 like you are you are definitely stepping 1163 00:58:08,209 --> 00:58:06,269 outside of the box but they they don't 1164 00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:08,219 want to do that it seems like asking 1165 00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:11,460 questions and and wondering and being 1166 00:58:17,989 --> 00:58:14,190 fascinated about something is the 1167 00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:17,999 opposite of what they actually do you 1168 00:58:23,959 --> 00:58:21,660 want me to answer that in one minute but 1169 00:58:27,769 --> 00:58:23,969 but you you understand exactly where I'm 1170 00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:27,779 going with this and all too late like 1171 00:58:31,489 --> 00:58:29,430 you mentioned that uh would you say 1172 00:58:33,019 --> 00:58:31,499 Robert Schoch was named yeah Robert Shaw 1173 00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:33,029 he waited till he got tenure 1174 00:58:37,749 --> 00:58:35,880 I waited till I had tenure in a perfect 1175 00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:37,759 world we wouldn't have to do that but 1176 00:58:43,579 --> 00:58:41,099 there there's I mean for my job alone 1177 00:58:45,019 --> 00:58:43,589 there were 77 applicants most of the 1178 00:58:47,749 --> 00:58:45,029 people were interviewing for other jobs 1179 00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:47,759 there's over 150 right now people are 1180 00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:51,089 scared to lose their job they're they're 1181 00:58:56,299 --> 00:58:52,619 scared to be blackballed from the 1182 00:59:00,079 --> 00:58:56,309 scientific community I obviously still 1183 00:59:02,839 --> 00:59:00,089 feel that but I also am confident in the 1184 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,849 research that I'm doing and I know I'm 1185 00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:04,200 writing this book as much for my 1186 00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:06,299 academic colleagues as anyone else I I 1187 00:59:11,989 --> 00:59:08,460 really feel confident that they'll read 1188 00:59:14,959 --> 00:59:11,999 it and say all right masters hasn't gone 1189 00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:14,969 crazy he's making some good points here 1190 00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,359 I may or may not agree with all of them 1191 00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:22,079 but I respect the effort and I hope that 1192 00:59:25,759 --> 00:59:24,329 that more people will do that I would 1193 00:59:28,969 --> 00:59:25,769 really hope that we could bridge this 1194 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:28,979 unnecessary divide and and really bring 1195 00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:31,410 more people to the conversation let's 1196 00:59:36,859 --> 00:59:34,619 take a break right here amazing start to 1197 00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:36,869 the show and we've got a lot to discuss 1198 00:59:42,469 --> 00:59:38,609 I'll try to get everything in tonight 1199 00:59:46,219 --> 00:59:42,479 dr. Michael P masters now his new book 1200 00:59:48,499 --> 00:59:46,229 is called identified flying objects 1201 00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:48,509 now we're talking about quantum physics 1202 00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:52,710 we're talking about time travel ET is is 1203 00:59:57,620 --> 00:59:56,249 it actually us visiting we'll get to all 1204 00:59:59,779 --> 00:59:57,630 of that right after the break I'm euro 1205 01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,789 to me Church more with dr. Michael P 1206 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:01,559 masters after this short break stay with 1207 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:01,730 us 1208 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:18,650 this is fade to black with Jimmy Church 1209 01:00:26,709 --> 01:00:21,130 on the game changer radio network and 1210 01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:26,719 kgr a the global radio alliance this is 1211 01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:29,209 kg are a digital broadcasting station 1212 01:00:35,049 --> 01:00:32,559 Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren Arkansas 1213 01:00:37,509 --> 01:00:35,059 does your basement or crawlspace have a 1214 01:00:39,489 --> 01:00:37,519 damp musty smell well watch out that's a 1215 01:00:41,319 --> 01:00:39,499 sign of too much moisture and not enough 1216 01:00:43,269 --> 01:00:41,329 ventilation and that can mean increased 1217 01:00:45,219 --> 01:00:43,279 mold growth and the build-up of harmful 1218 01:00:47,469 --> 01:00:45,229 toxins and gases don't bother with a 1219 01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:47,479 dehumidifier it just circulates the same 1220 01:00:52,029 --> 01:00:49,789 unhealthy air now there's a better way 1221 01:00:54,009 --> 01:00:52,039 to remove these dangers and odors it's 1222 01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:54,019 with the computerized wave moisture 1223 01:00:58,209 --> 01:00:56,150 control unit that reduces moisture and 1224 01:01:00,219 --> 01:00:58,219 expels pollutants we replaced our old 1225 01:01:02,499 --> 01:01:00,229 dehumidifier with the wave unit and in 1226 01:01:04,899 --> 01:01:02,509 only three weeks our basement is dry and 1227 01:01:06,849 --> 01:01:04,909 the musty smell is gone wave units 1228 01:01:09,279 --> 01:01:06,859 require no maintenance no buckets of 1229 01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:09,289 water or filters and costs only pennies 1230 01:01:12,999 --> 01:01:11,209 a day to run breathe better live 1231 01:01:15,399 --> 01:01:13,009 healthier with an affordable no 1232 01:01:17,769 --> 01:01:15,409 maintenance wave unit call eight eight 1233 01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:17,779 eight seven one seven way eight eight 1234 01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:21,109 eight seven one seven wav e or visit dry 1235 01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:29,680 we own solutions 1236 01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:42,560 hi this is Ray sobs here reppin the 1237 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:44,430 planet and you're listening to my good 1238 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:47,430 friend Jimmy Church fade to black 1239 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:50,010 on the GameChanger network and the kgr a 1240 01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:54,570 digital broadcast station this is Toby 1241 01:02:16,490 --> 01:01:56,700 Kebbell you're listening to Jimmy Church 1242 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:16,500 radio calm Jimmy revolution this is 1243 01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:18,330 Micah Hanks of the graylien report and 1244 01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:20,190 you're listening to Jimmy church on fade 1245 01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:21,960 to black across the globe on the 1246 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:24,030 GameChanger radio network and the one 1247 01:02:38,070 --> 01:02:27,010 and only kgr a radio the planet 1248 01:02:48,809 --> 01:02:46,620 [Music] 1249 01:02:50,819 --> 01:02:48,819 welcome back fade to black Camille simi 1250 01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:50,829 Church our guest tonight dr. Michael P 1251 01:02:57,420 --> 01:02:53,440 masters he's got a new book coming out 1252 01:02:59,789 --> 01:02:57,430 identified flying objects he received 1253 01:03:03,089 --> 01:02:59,799 his PhD in anthropology from Iowa State 1254 01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,099 University in 2009 where he specialized 1255 01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:05,200 in hominin evolutionary anatomy 1256 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:09,220 archeology and biomedicine now dr. 1257 01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:10,690 Michael check this out my brother 1258 01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:13,839 graduated from Ohio State in 2009 no 1259 01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:16,420 kidding yeah did you know that's a joke 1260 01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:19,180 hundred fifty thousand students right 1261 01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:22,479 yeah there are surprised surprised so 1262 01:03:27,299 --> 01:03:24,670 many of them you just come across yeah 1263 01:03:30,059 --> 01:03:27,309 but he'd be graduating 2009 so there you 1264 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:30,069 go my parents just moved from Columbus 1265 01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:31,930 actually too as well back to 1266 01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:33,700 Indianapolis but I'm from that part of 1267 01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:37,660 the world now okay before we get really 1268 01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:42,609 serious into this discussion this is 1269 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:46,809 where the academics out there and the 1270 01:03:52,650 --> 01:03:48,910 Egyptologists and the other historians 1271 01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:52,660 and anthropologists where I don't buy 1272 01:03:57,930 --> 01:03:53,739 what they're selling 1273 01:04:03,569 --> 01:03:57,940 and it's this basic fact which is if we 1274 01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:03,579 go back to 3000 BC 2900 BC at the end of 1275 01:04:10,229 --> 01:04:07,119 the Stone Age right where the rest of 1276 01:04:14,009 --> 01:04:10,239 the world the entire planet is running 1277 01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:14,019 around in animal skins and Egypt and 1278 01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:18,940 Mesopotamia a seemingly overnight were 1279 01:04:26,339 --> 01:04:22,869 upright and functional systems with the 1280 01:04:31,709 --> 01:04:26,349 first of everything right math libraries 1281 01:04:39,209 --> 01:04:31,719 laws music farming science engineering 1282 01:04:41,819 --> 01:04:39,219 astronomy roads everything when nobody 1283 01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:41,829 else didn't and I don't know where that 1284 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:44,440 knowledge came from and the academics 1285 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:46,089 will just say well you know you're not 1286 01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:48,249 giving them enough credit you know it 1287 01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:51,460 just happened I have a hard time with 1288 01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,049 that and I feel like I'm being lied to 1289 01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:55,359 is it that they don't know how it 1290 01:04:59,010 --> 01:04:56,950 happened or 1291 01:05:04,260 --> 01:04:59,020 or was there something else where they 1292 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:04,270 just taught from some somebody the 1293 01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:06,010 problem the difficult thing with 1294 01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:10,240 archaeology is that we we are able to 1295 01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:13,750 uncover the past we are able to dig 1296 01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:18,040 things up and identify what a culture 1297 01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:20,470 had at a specific time we can compare 1298 01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:22,180 that to other cultures around the world 1299 01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,220 at that same time or well and or we also 1300 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:30,160 look at how technology and culture 1301 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:32,410 changes through time both in those 1302 01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:34,210 regions and compared to other regions 1303 01:05:40,829 --> 01:05:37,599 and and absolutely neolithic is one of 1304 01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:40,839 the most interesting the the original 1305 01:05:44,849 --> 01:05:43,150 well the second renaissance they guess a 1306 01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:44,859 lot of people consider the Upper 1307 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:47,470 Paleolithic in Europe with the advent of 1308 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:50,890 new stone tool technology and art 1309 01:05:57,359 --> 01:05:53,740 jewelry things like that but but the 1310 01:06:00,440 --> 01:05:57,369 Neolithic was a revolutionary time I was 1311 01:06:03,450 --> 01:06:00,450 lucky to get to work with a lot of 1312 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:03,460 Egyptian skulls at the Museum and in 1313 01:06:08,010 --> 01:06:05,140 Turin Italy when I was doing my 1314 01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:08,020 dissertation research and and they did 1315 01:06:12,540 --> 01:06:10,569 such a good job at preserving these 1316 01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:12,550 mummies that there was still hair and 1317 01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:14,230 skin on them I mean I was trying to take 1318 01:06:17,309 --> 01:06:15,700 measurements from the skull and I had to 1319 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:17,319 work around pieces of skin and hair that 1320 01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:18,970 were still there after seven thousand 1321 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:21,790 years because they they were so good at 1322 01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:23,770 what they were doing but to get back to 1323 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:25,240 your question the the thing that's 1324 01:06:30,569 --> 01:06:28,510 difficult is that we look at all of the 1325 01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:30,579 material cultural remains we look at 1326 01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,550 what they had the interpretation of 1327 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:36,640 those we is more difficult we fight 1328 01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:39,010 amongst ourselves about about what it 1329 01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:41,740 all means when we try to figure out the 1330 01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:44,319 origins of Agriculture massive 1331 01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:46,540 infighting people would have these ideas 1332 01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,460 that that seemed totally legitimate 1333 01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:50,319 everyone would tear them down 1334 01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:52,420 most cases those people ended up being 1335 01:06:59,520 --> 01:06:54,460 right as we got more data and more 1336 01:07:02,670 --> 01:06:59,530 evidence so we can only present what we 1337 01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:02,680 find we have a strong background and 1338 01:07:08,780 --> 01:07:04,900 being able to interpret it based on 1339 01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:08,790 other published results from earlier 1340 01:07:13,049 --> 01:07:10,630 publications and also come 1341 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:13,059 pairing those two publications from 1342 01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:16,569 other sites but there's a lot that we 1343 01:07:23,549 --> 01:07:19,859 can't know and and when it comes down to 1344 01:07:25,710 --> 01:07:23,559 interpretation there's room for a lot of 1345 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:25,720 different interpretations of what is 1346 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:28,210 found in archaeological site especially 1347 01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,450 when there's those big jumps forward 1348 01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,039 partly it's the archaeological record 1349 01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:35,200 again it's sampling there that there 1350 01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:37,180 just wasn't a lot before that and it 1351 01:07:43,799 --> 01:07:38,950 looks like a bigger jump than maybe it 1352 01:07:46,859 --> 01:07:43,809 is but at the same time there there are 1353 01:07:48,809 --> 01:07:46,869 other interpretations that that could be 1354 01:07:51,569 --> 01:07:48,819 provided to help explain some of those 1355 01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:51,579 things and and then EO lithic the Upper 1356 01:08:00,839 --> 01:07:57,750 Paleolithic definitely major changes in 1357 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:00,849 you know Te'o t2 akan valley of Mexico 1358 01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,170 the Aztec Inca the Maya they they 1359 01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,880 develop culture very quickly around the 1360 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:08,559 same time most of it in accordance with 1361 01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:10,930 agriculture you could argue that 1362 01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:13,390 agriculture was a big part of it because 1363 01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:15,160 it freed people up from having to work 1364 01:08:20,340 --> 01:08:18,880 in the fields allowed for a class of 1365 01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:20,350 people that could spend their time 1366 01:08:26,249 --> 01:08:23,830 thinking it allowed for artesian allowed 1367 01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:26,259 for metal workers since that was the 1368 01:08:33,149 --> 01:08:28,299 beginning of the Copper Age the end of 1369 01:08:35,729 --> 01:08:33,159 the Stone Age so yeah I mean it could it 1370 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:35,739 could be a lot of different variables 1371 01:08:40,829 --> 01:08:37,770 that came together at that time 1372 01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:40,839 absolutely but I still didn't get an 1373 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:44,230 explanation on how it happened that was 1374 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:47,650 a very big dodge of your question I 1375 01:08:56,220 --> 01:08:52,690 admit that you know because for for us 1376 01:08:58,019 --> 01:08:56,230 out here on the fringes of knowledge 1377 01:09:05,430 --> 01:08:58,029 where we're trying to get these answers 1378 01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:05,440 I can't explain that at 3,000 BC there's 1379 01:09:10,649 --> 01:09:09,040 there's a simple answer for me it's just 1380 01:09:13,530 --> 01:09:10,659 that they were taught everybody's taught 1381 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:13,540 so who taught them I don't know where it 1382 01:09:18,629 --> 01:09:16,290 came from and then there's this other 1383 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:18,639 situation that popped up and it's called 1384 01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:22,960 gobekli tepe where we were told friends 1385 01:09:26,910 --> 01:09:23,980 are still too 1386 01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:26,920 today that the foundations of everything 1387 01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:29,460 right there at Egypt and you know it's 1388 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:32,950 Sumer and mesopotamias is kind of 1389 01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:35,290 ignored but it's servicing now I think 1390 01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:37,960 at the college level and that was the 1391 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:39,790 start of everything and everybody wants 1392 01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,100 to talk about Roman Greece but now we 1393 01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:45,759 have gobekli tepe seven thousand years 1394 01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,420 before the pyramids were allegedly built 1395 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:52,960 we have gobekli tepe which is just as 1396 01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:55,690 beautiful and wonderful and complex as 1397 01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:58,120 anything that was done seven thousand 1398 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:01,150 years later gobekli tepe wasn't supposed 1399 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:03,610 to exist and it makes me wonder how many 1400 01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:09,010 more gobekli tepe czar out there yeah 1401 01:10:16,620 --> 01:10:14,080 my my main academic focus is and things 1402 01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:16,630 much much older I mean my research is 1403 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:19,300 with early hominins you know going back 1404 01:10:24,570 --> 01:10:20,890 five six million years ago 1405 01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:24,580 I do teach archaeology fortunately I 1406 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:26,350 haven't had to for a while because just 1407 01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:27,850 between you and me it's kind of boring 1408 01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:33,820 to teach but but there are definitely 1409 01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,390 time periods where things happen in 1410 01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:39,280 certain places and then when those 1411 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:42,790 things spread it it raises questions 1412 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:45,130 about what happened there 1413 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:47,710 and and why did it spread so fast and 1414 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:50,770 and absolutely I mean it's open for 1415 01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:53,290 interpretation about you know some sort 1416 01:11:04,560 --> 01:10:57,450 of teaching that may have happened I I I 1417 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:04,570 try not to go too deep into the the 1418 01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,610 artifacts and features of the past I do 1419 01:11:10,710 --> 01:11:08,320 talk about in the book I feel like if 1420 01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,720 you're gonna talk about humans traveling 1421 01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:13,120 at different parts of the past there are 1422 01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:15,940 things that sort of indicate some sort 1423 01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,150 of interaction some sort of maybe even 1424 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:22,239 teaching and well I think it's kind of 1425 01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:23,890 been blown out of proportion a little 1426 01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:27,400 bit and that people sort of jumped on it 1427 01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:31,110 and taking it a bit too far I I do 1428 01:11:37,759 --> 01:11:34,000 understand that certain aspects of human 1429 01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:37,769 prehistory sort of indicate some sort of 1430 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:42,360 outside influence and the book it's 1431 01:11:48,419 --> 01:11:45,130 chapter three it's called a brief 1432 01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:48,429 history of time travelers play on 1433 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:50,409 Stephen Hawking's book a brief history 1434 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:53,530 of time it talks about the prehistory it 1435 01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:55,690 talks about the history it talks about a 1436 01:12:03,270 --> 01:11:59,710 lot of folklore where you have you know 1437 01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,280 instances of very alien crafts and alien 1438 01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:05,679 beans that have made their way into myth 1439 01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,190 and folklore and then obviously you know 1440 01:12:14,899 --> 01:12:12,280 ends with modern-day accounts and I take 1441 01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:14,909 a lot of data from a number of different 1442 01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:18,820 UFO reporting sites and plot the the 1443 01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:21,760 frequency of these these reports and 1444 01:12:26,189 --> 01:12:24,340 it's you know there's if it's happening 1445 01:12:30,029 --> 01:12:26,199 now and we had the ability to go to 1446 01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:30,039 those time periods - by doing so simply 1447 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:32,380 by being there we're going to enumerate 1448 01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:34,210 ourselves in that time period in some 1449 01:12:38,850 --> 01:12:37,000 way no matter how hard we try to try 1450 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:38,860 right I try to avoid we try to pick 1451 01:12:42,089 --> 01:12:40,289 people up I mean even now there 1452 01:12:43,859 --> 01:12:42,099 according to all of these reports 1453 01:12:45,629 --> 01:12:43,869 they're not you know diving down in 1454 01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:45,639 Times Square and just picking people up 1455 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:47,469 it's always in some backwoods cabin 1456 01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:50,170 somewhere you know taking fecal samples 1457 01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:52,510 taken sperm samples skin samples and and 1458 01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:55,510 dropping them off with really a very 1459 01:13:00,240 --> 01:12:57,070 fuzzy memory of what might have happened 1460 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,250 so I think and it makes sense why they 1461 01:13:05,819 --> 01:13:02,800 would do that as time travelers if they 1462 01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:05,829 had flown millions of light-years to get 1463 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:08,500 here it doesn't really make sense why 1464 01:13:12,209 --> 01:13:10,210 wouldn't you get out meet the President 1465 01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,219 of some nation why wouldn't you make 1466 01:13:16,259 --> 01:13:13,920 your presence known say hey we're here 1467 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:16,269 you know they have murder us and take 1468 01:13:20,009 --> 01:13:18,250 our resources or they would be our best 1469 01:13:23,609 --> 01:13:20,019 friends and we sit down have tea 1470 01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:23,619 together but in going back in time and 1471 01:13:29,009 --> 01:13:25,420 as anthropologists trying to study the 1472 01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:29,019 past we would try as hard as possible to 1473 01:13:35,339 --> 01:13:32,820 limit our influence on that past but 1474 01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,349 just being there it's bound to happen 1475 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:37,440 there's bound to be something that 1476 01:13:43,259 --> 01:13:40,090 changed that culture in some way I think 1477 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:43,269 yeah I have often said I want to stay on 1478 01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:45,369 this I'm gonna stay right here I've 1479 01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:49,630 often said if if if I was a time 1480 01:13:52,959 --> 01:13:50,840 traveler you 1481 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:52,969 going into the future or into the past 1482 01:14:00,010 --> 01:13:57,050 the last thing on my list is getting 1483 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:00,020 discovered okay absolutely you're gonna 1484 01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:03,010 die right something Bad's gonna happen 1485 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:06,230 yeah and you're gonna want to stay as 1486 01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:09,409 invisible as possible and you're not 1487 01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,310 going to want to get caught no it's it's 1488 01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:16,159 dangerous I mean it's dangerous for us 1489 01:14:20,740 --> 01:14:18,920 now I had a bunch of friends after we 1490 01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:20,750 were digging in in France at this 1491 01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,540 Neanderthal site they went over it's one 1492 01:14:27,310 --> 01:14:25,280 of the earliest Homo sapiens site in 1493 01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:27,320 northern Africa and they were there for 1494 01:14:33,220 --> 01:14:29,900 a week and all of a sudden this warring 1495 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:33,230 tribe came into the area they got out 1496 01:14:37,649 --> 01:14:36,170 the next day they they murdered 1520 1497 01:14:41,050 --> 01:14:37,659 people 1498 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:41,060 anthropology is is innately dangerous 1499 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:44,810 now even we go into war zones we try to 1500 01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:47,330 help rebuild schools we we try to help 1501 01:14:51,729 --> 01:14:49,880 rebuild you know societies and and 1502 01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:51,739 there's a lot of anthropologists that 1503 01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:53,900 died in doing so you talk about going 1504 01:14:58,780 --> 01:14:56,510 back you know to pick up Homo erectus a 1505 01:15:01,419 --> 01:14:58,790 million years ago and they just you know 1506 01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:01,429 got brand-new Spears and their big 1507 01:15:06,129 --> 01:15:04,880 brutish creatures you you you know go at 1508 01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:06,139 them with an anal probe they're probably 1509 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:11,360 going to stab you I know I would yes so 1510 01:15:15,310 --> 01:15:13,489 yeah absolutely there's gonna be 1511 01:15:18,729 --> 01:15:15,320 inherent dangers and I I assume there 1512 01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:18,739 would be some protocol I mean if if they 1513 01:15:24,459 --> 01:15:20,420 gave me a time machine right now and 1514 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:24,469 said go back you know to 750,000 years 1515 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:29,210 ago I would take a lot of weapons that I 1516 01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:33,290 have now from the abduction reports that 1517 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:34,790 you hear they they seem to have some 1518 01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:37,130 ability just to paralyze us just to 1519 01:15:43,450 --> 01:15:39,409 freeze us which would be a great tool to 1520 01:15:44,649 --> 01:15:43,460 have at your disposal but yeah I would 1521 01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:44,659 definitely be worried about my own 1522 01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:47,560 safety I would be worried about 1523 01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:50,170 modifying the culture of that time 1524 01:15:57,070 --> 01:15:54,110 modifying the belief system of the 1525 01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:57,080 people it's it's something we do now as 1526 01:16:00,970 --> 01:15:58,820 anthropologists we work across different 1527 01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:00,980 cultural groups man we used to just 1528 01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:03,230 blast into the Amazon and give people 1529 01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:04,280 cigarettes and 1530 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:06,230 we'll go and candy to talk to us and 1531 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:07,970 realized that it was rotten out their 1532 01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:09,410 teeth and giving them lung cancer 1533 01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:11,690 eventually but but that quest for 1534 01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:14,270 answers has come at a cost other people 1535 01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:16,910 and like I said it's come at a cost to 1536 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:19,720 our health and well-being as well so 1537 01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:24,290 yeah I think as as much as we could or 1538 01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:27,350 can if that is the case for the future 1539 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:30,470 we would want to limit our exposure we 1540 01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:32,510 would want to limit their perception of 1541 01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:35,420 us and based on modern-day accounts it 1542 01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:40,070 seems to be exactly what they do the the 1543 01:16:45,970 --> 01:16:43,760 general accepted number is earth is 1544 01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:45,980 about four and a half billion years old 1545 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:49,760 okay so based on that four and a billion 1546 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:52,970 years is a long time okay that's a big 1547 01:16:58,990 --> 01:16:55,730 chunk of time you look at us and you 1548 01:17:02,350 --> 01:16:59,000 look at let's say Lucy okay we're just 1549 01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:02,360 now we're talking about four million 1550 01:17:10,150 --> 01:17:07,400 years a blip of time out of four and a 1551 01:17:12,460 --> 01:17:10,160 half billion years yeah and then if you 1552 01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:12,470 look at us today and the last two 1553 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:14,450 thousand years where we have come or the 1554 01:17:18,820 --> 01:17:16,490 last hundred years over the last 50 1555 01:17:21,940 --> 01:17:18,830 years that sliver gets smaller and 1556 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:21,950 smaller and smaller do you think it's 1557 01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:24,410 possible that there could have been a 1558 01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:28,760 rise and fall of us a few times in the 1559 01:17:43,090 --> 01:17:39,920 last five hundred million years I mean 1560 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:43,100 even going back 65 million years ago we 1561 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:45,170 looked like a little tree shrew or a 1562 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:51,290 mouse so what I'm saying is evolution 1563 01:17:56,650 --> 01:17:54,170 could have happened many times it's 1564 01:18:00,400 --> 01:17:56,660 certainly 65 million years ago we all 1565 01:18:03,340 --> 01:18:00,410 know what happened and 90% of everything 1566 01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:03,350 on this planet was killed and it all 1567 01:18:07,660 --> 01:18:05,510 came back well except for the dinosaurs 1568 01:18:10,750 --> 01:18:07,670 and and 1569 01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:10,760 and it's so in 65 million years that 1570 01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:13,310 short little sliver of time all of this 1571 01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:15,860 evolution allegedly happened however it 1572 01:18:21,340 --> 01:18:17,830 happened I don't know I don't know if if 1573 01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:21,350 we were you know I often wonder if our 1574 01:18:26,530 --> 01:18:24,160 species thousands of them on this planet 1575 01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:26,540 tens of thousands were just maybe 1576 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:28,630 dropped off by a meteor or something 1577 01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:31,130 where then the planet was repopulated 1578 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:34,220 because so much happened in 65 million 1579 01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,810 years it's crazy 1580 01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:38,000 a lot of it was just the dinosaurs dying 1581 01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:39,800 I mean the mammals were able to live 1582 01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:41,000 underground because they were 1583 01:18:47,140 --> 01:18:43,540 warm-blooded dinosaurs needed the Sun 1584 01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:47,150 once they got blasted into history by 1585 01:18:52,210 --> 01:18:49,190 the asteroid or on the Yucatan Peninsula 1586 01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:52,220 it allowed all of our tree shrew 1587 01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:53,380 mouse-like 1588 01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:56,480 ancestors to come out and what happened 1589 01:18:59,740 --> 01:18:57,710 was what's known as an adaptive 1590 01:19:02,170 --> 01:18:59,750 radiation where there are all of these 1591 01:19:05,020 --> 01:19:02,180 new ecological niches available and we 1592 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:05,030 could just go into them and populate 1593 01:19:10,690 --> 01:19:07,690 them and start evolving as as mammals 1594 01:19:13,570 --> 01:19:10,700 once we're subjugated to the ground 1595 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:13,580 before and interestingly our own lineage 1596 01:19:19,090 --> 01:19:16,130 the primates happen to go up in the 1597 01:19:21,370 --> 01:19:19,100 trees it's a lot to do with why we can 1598 01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:21,380 still use the monkey bars and why we 1599 01:19:26,170 --> 01:19:23,900 have pads on the tips of our fingers and 1600 01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:26,180 fingernails instead of claws and why our 1601 01:19:31,090 --> 01:19:28,910 visions so good we cross over our visual 1602 01:19:32,740 --> 01:19:31,100 field to see so we're jumping from tree 1603 01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:32,750 to tree that'd be pretty important and 1604 01:19:37,060 --> 01:19:34,280 could understand how natural selection 1605 01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:37,070 would favor those organisms with those 1606 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:38,900 traits and we eventually came down from 1607 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:40,730 the trees about six to eight million 1608 01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:42,410 years ago and that's that's really when 1609 01:19:50,260 --> 01:19:48,020 humanity became a separate a separate 1610 01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,270 lineage a separate cog in the machine so 1611 01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:52,640 to speak where we really we stood 1612 01:19:57,490 --> 01:19:54,980 upright and in fact a big part of the 1613 01:19:58,960 --> 01:19:57,500 book talks about how that process of 1614 01:20:01,420 --> 01:19:58,970 just standing upright and becoming 1615 01:20:04,930 --> 01:20:01,430 bipedal set in motion so many things 1616 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:04,940 that led to our success culturally and 1617 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:07,580 just as an organism populating every 1618 01:20:12,610 --> 01:20:10,130 part of the earth is is that it forced 1619 01:20:14,380 --> 01:20:12,620 us to rotate our heads downward in order 1620 01:20:17,050 --> 01:20:14,390 to see where we're going is going from a 1621 01:20:19,330 --> 01:20:17,060 quadrupedal animal to a bipedal one you 1622 01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,340 naturally have to do that but that 1623 01:20:23,410 --> 01:20:21,199 process in itself 1624 01:20:26,620 --> 01:20:23,420 what's known as the basic cranium where 1625 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:26,630 our brain sets and that allowed our 1626 01:20:31,209 --> 01:20:28,250 brain to grow bigger if you think of a 1627 01:20:33,010 --> 01:20:31,219 slinky you take the two sides you bend 1628 01:20:35,410 --> 01:20:33,020 them toward each other that's kind of 1629 01:20:37,450 --> 01:20:35,420 what the base of our cranium did and and 1630 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:37,460 it opens up all of the space at the top 1631 01:20:42,910 --> 01:20:40,130 where a bigger brain kaguro so in the 1632 01:20:45,220 --> 01:20:42,920 same way that that we benefited from 1633 01:20:46,990 --> 01:20:45,230 culture and large brains a lot of our 1634 01:20:49,450 --> 01:20:47,000 big brains is really just a product of 1635 01:20:52,689 --> 01:20:49,460 standing upright and we're one a few 1636 01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:52,699 animals that do it here on earth 1637 01:20:57,340 --> 01:20:55,030 I make a case in the book for how 1638 01:20:59,560 --> 01:20:57,350 bipedalism would be even more rare on 1639 01:21:04,120 --> 01:20:59,570 other planets and one of the biggest 1640 01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:04,130 common traits of biggest common traits 1641 01:21:09,970 --> 01:21:07,760 of these aliens these extra tempest' 1642 01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:09,980 riyals as I call them is that they stand 1643 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:12,500 upright they have the same cranial 1644 01:21:18,430 --> 01:21:15,610 morphology that we have they have large 1645 01:21:20,590 --> 01:21:18,440 bulbous foreheads they have tiny noses 1646 01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,600 and mouths and and those are the same 1647 01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,400 traits that we've seen in human 1648 01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:25,040 evolution especially over the last three 1649 01:21:28,959 --> 01:21:26,600 to four million years and if you project 1650 01:21:31,390 --> 01:21:28,969 that forward into the future you would 1651 01:21:34,510 --> 01:21:31,400 expect to see that exact morphological 1652 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:34,520 form in our distant descendants so the 1653 01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:36,290 fact that they have those traits we have 1654 01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:38,750 those traits our ancestry our ancestors 1655 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:42,280 have more primitive form of those traits 1656 01:21:48,189 --> 01:21:45,170 indicate some some morphological 1657 01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,199 continuity here on planet Earth you 1658 01:21:52,270 --> 01:21:50,719 factor in that most planets that have 1659 01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:52,280 been discovered outside of our solar 1660 01:21:57,070 --> 01:21:55,070 system that are habitable exoplanets as 1661 01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:57,080 they call them are much much larger than 1662 01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:59,179 Earth it would be very difficult for a 1663 01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:01,160 bipedal organism to develop on those 1664 01:22:06,370 --> 01:22:03,320 planets simply because they would crush 1665 01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:06,380 their tiny little two legs under under 1666 01:22:11,919 --> 01:22:08,600 the weight of gravity on that planet so 1667 01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:11,929 having this form that we have now 1668 01:22:18,459 --> 01:22:14,420 looking at the form of our ancestors and 1669 01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:18,469 then also the form if we can understand 1670 01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:21,230 these aliens as being from time rather 1671 01:22:26,979 --> 01:22:23,300 than space sort of indicates that there 1672 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:26,989 is this long connected history of our 1673 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:29,810 lineage the hominin lineage here on this 1674 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:31,730 planet and you know honestly if you 1675 01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:34,610 factor in the culture the technology 1676 01:22:37,149 --> 01:22:35,150 that we have 1677 01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:37,159 of the technology that they have you 1678 01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,310 could definitely understand how it's 1679 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:42,800 built upon that wood which exists today 1680 01:22:48,340 --> 01:22:45,290 and in a number of different ways no 1681 01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:48,350 you're you're now tenured you just got 1682 01:22:54,669 --> 01:22:51,679 promoted right congratulations on that 1683 01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:54,679 by the way last month yeah last month so 1684 01:23:02,140 --> 01:22:57,920 I think you can answer this question you 1685 01:23:04,060 --> 01:23:02,150 can be honest have you seen a UFO no I 1686 01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:04,070 haven't actually 1687 01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:05,989 which kind of bums me out to tell you 1688 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:12,260 the truth I can I can arrange it if I go 1689 01:23:16,689 --> 01:23:13,850 out into the woods I mean I live in a 1690 01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,699 very very unpopulated part of the world 1691 01:23:19,419 --> 01:23:19,040 I spend a lot of time in the middle of 1692 01:23:21,850 --> 01:23:19,429 nowhere 1693 01:23:25,060 --> 01:23:21,860 I love elk hunting which takes you up 1694 01:23:28,330 --> 01:23:25,070 into some very isolated parts of Montana 1695 01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:28,340 and I always just look to the skies and 1696 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:30,830 and and I would I mean I would love to 1697 01:23:36,430 --> 01:23:34,610 meet what I consider to be my distant 1698 01:23:37,419 --> 01:23:36,440 distant descendants but no unfortunately 1699 01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:37,429 I haven't 1700 01:23:45,370 --> 01:23:41,150 interestingly the book idea came when I 1701 01:23:48,669 --> 01:23:45,380 was 8 years old my my father had seen 1702 01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,679 one and I heard him telling the story I 1703 01:23:52,959 --> 01:23:50,480 remember very vividly I was sitting on 1704 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:52,969 the stairs listening him to describe it 1705 01:23:58,899 --> 01:23:55,610 to somebody and it was just the sense of 1706 01:24:02,530 --> 01:23:58,909 of confusion and Wonder and awe in his 1707 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:02,540 voice he he works late at night in Amish 1708 01:24:06,669 --> 01:24:05,090 country as a veterinarian and it's very 1709 01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:06,679 dark in that part of the world they 1710 01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:08,210 don't use electricity but there's this 1711 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:10,850 bright glowing orb that appear in the 1712 01:24:14,770 --> 01:24:12,530 distance and they sort of stopped to 1713 01:24:17,169 --> 01:24:14,780 look at it and according to his account 1714 01:24:18,669 --> 01:24:17,179 it it shot toward him covered there 1715 01:24:21,310 --> 01:24:18,679 right in front of him for a little bit 1716 01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:21,320 shot up into the sky back down to where 1717 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:24,710 it was and then headed back up and and 1718 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:29,330 he probably looking for answers bought a 1719 01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:31,370 book by Whitley Strieber called 1720 01:24:36,910 --> 01:24:34,340 communion and I remember it sitting on 1721 01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:36,920 the bookshelf in our house in the living 1722 01:24:42,250 --> 01:24:40,159 room and and I walked by it and I looked 1723 01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:42,260 up at it and there's this picture of 1724 01:24:47,379 --> 01:24:44,510 kind of the quintessential alien with 1725 01:24:48,699 --> 01:24:47,389 the big bald head in the little tiny 1726 01:24:50,410 --> 01:24:48,709 face and nose and 1727 01:24:52,179 --> 01:24:50,420 big black eyes and then I had this 1728 01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:52,189 mental image which is actually in 1729 01:24:55,779 --> 01:24:54,050 Chapter one of the book and I put on my 1730 01:25:01,020 --> 01:24:55,789 website and even a t-shirt and some 1731 01:25:04,660 --> 01:25:01,030 fridge magnets of sort of an early human 1732 01:25:07,179 --> 01:25:04,670 hominoid hominin as we call them sort of 1733 01:25:08,620 --> 01:25:07,189 a chimp like creature a modern human in 1734 01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:08,630 the middle and then this alien creature 1735 01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:10,699 on the right side and it sort of 1736 01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,820 solidified this this idea of of that 1737 01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:15,679 continent I mean I was eight I had no 1738 01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:17,329 idea about human evolution I lived in 1739 01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:18,920 the Bible Belt I had no way of learning 1740 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:22,249 about it but from that point on it sort 1741 01:25:26,979 --> 01:25:25,130 of it was this idea that they just kept 1742 01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:26,989 coming back to me I ended up studying 1743 01:25:33,609 --> 01:25:31,369 physics and astronomy and then physical 1744 01:25:35,649 --> 01:25:33,619 biological anthropology and and 1745 01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:35,659 obviously there's you know the potential 1746 01:25:41,709 --> 01:25:38,329 for confirmation bias and doing that 1747 01:25:43,799 --> 01:25:41,719 where if I look for those things I will 1748 01:25:46,509 --> 01:25:43,809 find them but it wasn't the case at all 1749 01:25:48,699 --> 01:25:46,519 the further I got into grad school the 1750 01:25:51,489 --> 01:25:48,709 more I studied hominid evolutionary 1751 01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:51,499 anatomy and our our physical changes 1752 01:25:58,179 --> 01:25:54,320 over time and our skulls and and post 1753 01:26:00,699 --> 01:25:58,189 cranial anatomy it just it became just a 1754 01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:00,709 more solidified idea it became a more 1755 01:26:05,469 --> 01:26:02,360 intuitive explanation for this 1756 01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:05,479 phenomenon so I decided to write a book 1757 01:26:09,969 --> 01:26:07,489 about it you were an eighth you should 1758 01:26:13,149 --> 01:26:09,979 have read the book well what's funny is 1759 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:13,159 that I eventually did years ago and at 1760 01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:15,170 the very end of it he actually talks 1761 01:26:24,009 --> 01:26:20,840 about how if I forget what exactly says 1762 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:24,019 but he he says that if I'd been a sty I 1763 01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:26,449 feel like I just been studied by a team 1764 01:26:32,049 --> 01:26:29,239 of biologists and anthropologists and I 1765 01:26:33,759 --> 01:26:32,059 read that and I was like well hell I 1766 01:26:35,859 --> 01:26:33,769 guess Whitley Strieber 1767 01:26:37,449 --> 01:26:35,869 you know and I kind of maybe think the 1768 01:26:40,540 --> 01:26:37,459 same thing but I mean most of the book 1769 01:26:43,739 --> 01:26:40,550 is it is drawn it draws from the 1770 01:26:45,850 --> 01:26:43,749 extra-terrestrial model but that passage 1771 01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:45,860 made me think and then obviously you 1772 01:26:50,259 --> 01:26:47,150 know I've heard other people say that 1773 01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:50,269 you know the time-travel explanation you 1774 01:26:56,259 --> 01:26:53,689 know it may be a possibility this book 1775 01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,269 goes in a way more detail and draws from 1776 01:27:00,750 --> 01:26:58,159 a lot of different fields to really make 1777 01:27:03,009 --> 01:27:00,760 that case in a very scientifically 1778 01:27:05,109 --> 01:27:03,019 fastidious way 1779 01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:05,119 so it's you know it's been really 1780 01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:08,300 actually interesting and and fun to see 1781 01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:11,840 this idea expressed in other ways we 1782 01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:13,880 need to take a break right here but when 1783 01:27:19,029 --> 01:27:17,030 we come back we are going to discuss the 1784 01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:19,039 science of all of this and especially 1785 01:27:24,189 --> 01:27:21,260 when it comes to quantum physics of Mike 1786 01:27:27,429 --> 01:27:24,199 we we discussed this nearly every single 1787 01:27:29,469 --> 01:27:27,439 night on this show so let's do it when 1788 01:27:32,009 --> 01:27:29,479 we come back let's let's get into the 1789 01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:32,019 science of time-travel yes okay 1790 01:27:36,219 --> 01:27:34,550 unbelievable conversation ever this 1791 01:27:38,799 --> 01:27:36,229 audience is going to add Jim he's in his 1792 01:27:42,129 --> 01:27:38,809 zone I am this is fade to black our 1793 01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:42,139 guest tonight dr. Michael P masters this 1794 01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:44,210 fade black stay with us 1795 01:27:50,260 --> 01:28:00,070 [Music] 1796 01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:03,250 way out here we listen to Jimmy Church 1797 01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,560 you're listening to fade to black always 1798 01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:09,600 on the edge of the hottest alternative 1799 01:28:31,670 --> 01:28:12,450 talk chili church with fade to black 1800 01:28:35,390 --> 01:28:31,680 stay GRA radio.com hurricanes 1801 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:35,400 earthquakes wildfires this year we've 1802 01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,170 experienced more than our fair share 1803 01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:39,960 this is Jimmy Church a fade to black and 1804 01:28:44,630 --> 01:28:42,450 last month I decided to make sure my 1805 01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,640 family does not have to worry about food 1806 01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:46,800 should we get caught in a real emergency 1807 01:28:52,460 --> 01:28:50,550 situation introducing Humana healthy 1808 01:28:54,230 --> 01:28:52,470 storable product that tastes so good 1809 01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:54,240 that you'll want to eat it every day 1810 01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,040 instead of just during those times of 1811 01:29:02,180 --> 01:28:58,800 duress all new manna products have a 25 1812 01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:02,190 year shelf life our msg and GMO free no 1813 01:29:06,740 --> 01:29:04,620 preservatives and are made in America 1814 01:29:08,780 --> 01:29:06,750 with the new manna pack in your home 1815 01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,790 you'll be able to sleep at night knowing 1816 01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:11,280 that you've protected your family not 1817 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:14,100 only have I tasted and tested I own it 1818 01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:16,650 now you can too just click on the new 1819 01:29:20,690 --> 01:29:18,390 manna banner on Jimmy Church radio.com 1820 01:29:23,150 --> 01:29:20,700 and use the promo code Jimmy when you 1821 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:23,160 order in addition to a discount we'll 1822 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:24,810 send you an autograph fade to black 1823 01:29:29,630 --> 01:29:25,770 t-shirt 1824 01:29:31,190 --> 01:29:29,640 seriously gobekli tepe do you worry a 1825 01:29:33,580 --> 01:29:31,200 lot whether you're a college student 1826 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:33,590 busy professional parent or grandparent 1827 01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,090 ongoing stress and elevated levels of 1828 01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:37,920 the stress hormone cortisol can wrap 1829 01:29:42,410 --> 01:29:40,230 your memory your health and your future 1830 01:29:44,450 --> 01:29:42,420 now you can combat the effects of stress 1831 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:44,460 and anxiety while improving your memory 1832 01:29:48,500 --> 01:29:46,410 and recall at the same time with the 1833 01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:48,510 dietary supplement calm and clever 1834 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:50,280 studies showed that the ingredients in 1835 01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:52,410 common clever reduce cortisol by as much 1836 01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:54,900 as 30% in one to two weeks call one 1837 01:29:59,480 --> 01:29:56,310 eight hundred seventy five eight eight 1838 01:30:03,260 --> 01:29:59,490 seven four six or calm and clever calm 1839 01:30:11,710 --> 01:30:03,270 you listen to us and we listen to you so 1840 01:30:18,490 --> 01:30:14,510 you are listening to fade to black with 1841 01:30:21,860 --> 01:30:18,500 Jimmy Church on the game changer Network 1842 01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:21,870 hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to 1843 01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:24,750 Jimmy Church this is revolution the 1844 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:27,570 revolution will not be televised the 1845 01:30:35,050 --> 01:31:12,950 [Music] 1846 01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:15,300 welcome back baby black I'm Neal shimmy 1847 01:31:20,130 --> 01:31:17,110 Church our guest tonight dr. Michael P 1848 01:31:22,410 --> 01:31:20,140 masters talking about his new book and 1849 01:31:27,959 --> 01:31:22,420 it is called identified flying objects 1850 01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:27,969 and the book deals with well a lot of 1851 01:31:33,979 --> 01:31:29,710 you know the anthropology and the 1852 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:33,989 science of evolution certainly but that 1853 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:38,290 it's possibly time travel and our et 1854 01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:42,330 friends and those UFOs just might be us 1855 01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:47,200 fascinating now Mike about well back in 1856 01:31:53,340 --> 01:31:49,930 1981 that we had the Rendlesham forest 1857 01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:53,350 incident and Jim Penniston one of the 1858 01:32:03,630 --> 01:31:59,440 witnesses for that said on this show 1859 01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:03,640 that he touched the craft and when he 1860 01:32:13,670 --> 01:32:08,770 did he got a vision a download and which 1861 01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:13,680 said the message was basically we are 1862 01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:16,360 you from the future 1863 01:32:21,060 --> 01:32:18,850 oh no kidding yeah and everybody else 1864 01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:21,070 you know they're looking at the craft 1865 01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:22,870 they're seeing the lights in the sky and 1866 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:26,320 beams of light and everybody well and 1867 01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:29,650 still to this day you know it's 1868 01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:32,080 considering this et and for the obvious 1869 01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:36,130 reasons but Penniston said that it was 1870 01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:38,920 us from the future which caused a lot of 1871 01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:40,360 us to step back and go well that's 1872 01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:43,360 that's interesting yeah I I'm surprised 1873 01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:45,910 I haven't come across that it appreciate 1874 01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:48,400 though well I can I can get you two in 1875 01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:50,260 touch with each other but we'll do the 1876 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:53,380 answer we'll do that later home was 1877 01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:55,930 called Whitley during the break I just 1878 01:33:00,900 --> 01:32:57,610 had him on coast to coast over the 1879 01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:00,910 weekend yes yeah and he lives are down 1880 01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:05,650 the street too as well but anyway the I 1881 01:33:14,490 --> 01:33:10,210 think we are getting closer that science 1882 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:14,500 and the fringe are now starting to meet 1883 01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:16,810 in the middle here where we do have 1884 01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:19,660 quantum not only the entire quantum 1885 01:33:24,930 --> 01:33:22,810 element when it comes to string theory 1886 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:24,940 or quantum mechanics and 1887 01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,130 and all of that but then we have qubits 1888 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:28,800 and quantum computers and we have 1889 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:31,570 Silicon Valley talking about parallel 1890 01:33:37,530 --> 01:33:34,170 worlds and a binary existence and 1891 01:33:40,050 --> 01:33:37,540 quantum computing operates in parallel 1892 01:33:42,959 --> 01:33:40,060 worlds no matter how yes an exciting 1893 01:33:46,890 --> 01:33:42,969 time it is it really is so if all of 1894 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:46,900 this is starting to mesh together we are 1895 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:50,410 gonna find out that the world is truly 1896 01:33:54,959 --> 01:33:52,330 not what it seems that there's a lot of 1897 01:33:58,770 --> 01:33:54,969 fascinating things going on yeah I 1898 01:34:00,570 --> 01:33:58,780 totally agree with that it's we're 1899 01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,580 definitely in the early stages of it 1900 01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:02,800 it's it's hard to really say what the 1901 01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:07,750 exact mechanisms are that create the 1902 01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:10,510 ability to bend light cones backwards 1903 01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,910 and and project your world line 1904 01:34:18,780 --> 01:34:15,280 backwards into the past but I mean 1905 01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:18,790 there's been a lot a lot that's 1906 01:34:25,260 --> 01:34:22,510 demonstrated that regardless of the 1907 01:34:27,060 --> 01:34:25,270 actual mechanism it is possible I mean 1908 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:27,070 the big question has always been is it 1909 01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:29,410 even possible the time travel and 1910 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:32,890 unfortunately you know some very big 1911 01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:35,170 names have been very staunchly opposed 1912 01:34:41,610 --> 01:34:39,790 to that idea and if you look at it from 1913 01:34:43,229 --> 01:34:41,620 you know the standpoint of classical 1914 01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:43,239 physics there's a lot of problems 1915 01:34:48,630 --> 01:34:46,510 there's paradoxes that arise but then in 1916 01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:48,640 the realm of quantum mechanics you're 1917 01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,520 able to to bypass a lot of those to 1918 01:34:56,490 --> 01:34:53,920 sidestep them and and the main thing 1919 01:34:59,880 --> 01:34:56,500 that that's demonstrated over and over 1920 01:35:02,970 --> 01:34:59,890 is that there's a self consistency among 1921 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:02,980 events that you don't have the future 1922 01:35:08,430 --> 01:35:05,710 influency in the past but rather the 1923 01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:08,440 future was always part of that past in 1924 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:10,840 the past was always part of the future 1925 01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:12,610 you can't change anything there's no 1926 01:35:17,370 --> 01:35:15,130 change that can occur rather they're 1927 01:35:20,459 --> 01:35:17,380 just two aspects of time that are that 1928 01:35:23,220 --> 01:35:20,469 are linked together in a more holistic 1929 01:35:23,729 --> 01:35:23,230 loop so to speak that's really 1930 01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:23,739 interesting 1931 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:25,750 yeah expand on that a little bit because 1932 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:30,250 if we you know Einstein specifically 1933 01:35:35,819 --> 01:35:33,090 specifically pointed out time loops and 1934 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:35,829 this was not 1935 01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:38,170 there's something that was made up you 1936 01:35:44,009 --> 01:35:40,719 know this is an urban legend this is 1937 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:44,019 something that he he realized was very 1938 01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:47,320 very possible so but when we deal with 1939 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:49,449 something like that that's when we get 1940 01:35:54,660 --> 01:35:52,690 into this world of paradoxes and if if 1941 01:35:56,189 --> 01:35:54,670 the future is the past and the past is 1942 01:35:56,939 --> 01:35:56,199 influencing the future and they're one 1943 01:36:00,479 --> 01:35:56,949 and the same 1944 01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:00,489 then paradoxes don't matter or they are 1945 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:06,030 impossible to occur uh both yeah the the 1946 01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:10,690 generally accepted the the way most 1947 01:36:18,209 --> 01:36:13,110 physicists would approach that is is 1948 01:36:20,970 --> 01:36:18,219 that their time is essentially a giant 1949 01:36:24,259 --> 01:36:20,980 block a giant landscape it's oftentimes 1950 01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:24,269 referred to as block time where all 1951 01:36:29,700 --> 01:36:27,010 events that will ever happen or have 1952 01:36:31,890 --> 01:36:29,710 ever happened already are they already 1953 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:31,900 have they are now they already will in 1954 01:36:38,250 --> 01:36:35,530 the future and when you understand time 1955 01:36:42,359 --> 01:36:38,260 in that way things from the future and 1956 01:36:45,629 --> 01:36:42,369 from the past are able to be linked 1957 01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:45,639 together in a way where none of them 1958 01:36:50,879 --> 01:36:48,190 really influenced each other but they've 1959 01:36:56,689 --> 01:36:50,889 always existed in that sort of static 1960 01:36:59,399 --> 01:36:56,699 realm of block time and the the main 1961 01:37:01,169 --> 01:36:59,409 Stephen Hawking was was a very big 1962 01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:01,179 proponent of what he called chronology 1963 01:37:06,089 --> 01:37:03,940 protection where time travel for 1964 01:37:08,609 --> 01:37:06,099 macroscopic objects is impossible 1965 01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:08,619 because of these paradoxes he thought 1966 01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:11,199 that these paradoxes would prohibit any 1967 01:37:15,649 --> 01:37:13,570 sort of travel to the past or something 1968 01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:15,659 bigger than a tachyon for instance right 1969 01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:19,780 you have then Friedman Nabokov even Kip 1970 01:37:24,959 --> 01:37:22,510 Thorne one of his best friends who show 1971 01:37:27,330 --> 01:37:24,969 that in quantum physics that's not 1972 01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:27,340 necessarily an issue that the 1973 01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:29,800 grandfather paradox the classic paradox 1974 01:37:32,850 --> 01:37:31,449 of what if you go back and timing and 1975 01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:32,860 kill your grandfather if your 1976 01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:34,449 grandfather is alive and you're alive 1977 01:37:40,830 --> 01:37:38,260 you never did it's not it's not possible 1978 01:37:43,589 --> 01:37:40,840 so so that part of your question is is 1979 01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,599 if it didn't happen it's not going to 1980 01:37:47,129 --> 01:37:45,760 happen those there's no way to change 1981 01:37:48,779 --> 01:37:47,139 the past there's no way to make 1982 01:37:49,530 --> 01:37:48,789 something different than how it already 1983 01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:49,540 is in the 1984 01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:52,960 giant block of time well okay this is 1985 01:37:58,350 --> 01:37:56,260 one of the theories that I tend to agree 1986 01:38:01,080 --> 01:37:58,360 with I guess we'll never know until we 1987 01:38:03,870 --> 01:38:01,090 do it but going back to the grandfather 1988 01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:03,880 paradox you go back you got the you got 1989 01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:05,680 the loaded gun you're gonna go kill your 1990 01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,190 grandfather before he crosses the street 1991 01:38:13,470 --> 01:38:10,960 to go into the theater for the first 1992 01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:13,480 time on his first date with your grandma 1993 01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:18,100 right okay and the you point the gun at 1994 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:22,780 your grandfather and it jams right you 1995 01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:26,050 know there's something he will always 1996 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:29,860 cross the street yeah he will like there 1997 01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:32,050 is nothing that there will be something 1998 01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:35,590 that will prevent it you know a car will 1999 01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:37,740 come by and run you over whatever it is 2000 01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:41,770 but and it's tricky because this has 2001 01:38:48,030 --> 01:38:45,750 only been demonstrated in very complex 2002 01:38:49,860 --> 01:38:48,040 mathematical models mostly using 2003 01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:49,870 billiard balls going in this hole and 2004 01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:51,880 then out of this hole and and they'd 2005 01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:54,130 always knocks it out of the way once you 2006 01:38:58,980 --> 01:38:56,890 take that model and project it up to 2007 01:39:01,440 --> 01:38:58,990 real people doing real things with real 2008 01:39:03,450 --> 01:39:01,450 guns and real cars hitting them that I 2009 01:39:05,210 --> 01:39:03,460 don't I don't think anybody knows to 2010 01:39:08,820 --> 01:39:05,220 tell you the truth I don't know what 2011 01:39:12,930 --> 01:39:08,830 aspect of the universe can prohibit that 2012 01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:12,940 event from happening but it for it to be 2013 01:39:17,370 --> 01:39:15,250 self-consistent it didn't if you're 2014 01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:17,380 there you didn't kill your grandfather 2015 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:21,040 before he made your mother father with 2016 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:22,570 your grandparents and they made you I 2017 01:39:26,490 --> 01:39:25,090 it's it's one of those areas that we 2018 01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:26,500 just don't fully understand in fact 2019 01:39:32,610 --> 01:39:29,710 that's what was great about the peer 2020 01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:32,620 reviewer with with such a strong 2021 01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:33,940 background in physics and quantum 2022 01:39:38,940 --> 01:39:37,360 mechanics is that he suggested that I 2023 01:39:41,460 --> 01:39:38,950 acknowledged that very early in the 2024 01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:41,470 chapter that though what we're talking 2025 01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:45,040 about here is on a macro scale where 2026 01:39:48,150 --> 01:39:46,630 there's just things that we can't know 2027 01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,160 yet I mean there's a whole chapter just 2028 01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:50,080 about time like what is time we still 2029 01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,670 don't know that Einstein didn't know 2030 01:39:57,090 --> 01:39:53,440 what time is nobody knows what it 2031 01:39:59,970 --> 01:39:57,100 actually is but there's a lot of ways to 2032 01:40:02,220 --> 01:39:59,980 understand the impact that it has 2033 01:40:03,419 --> 01:40:02,230 especially on biological organisms and 2034 01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:03,429 and many would advocate 2035 01:40:08,429 --> 01:40:05,590 that the only reason time seems to move 2036 01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:08,439 forward is because we have consciousness 2037 01:40:14,069 --> 01:40:11,170 and brains that can impose the sequence 2038 01:40:17,310 --> 01:40:14,079 of events moving forward whereas in this 2039 01:40:19,819 --> 01:40:17,320 big block of time it really doesn't it's 2040 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:19,829 it's symmetrical can move both ways so 2041 01:40:26,370 --> 01:40:24,130 once once you get to the the basics of 2042 01:40:29,069 --> 01:40:26,380 what time is then the question is how do 2043 01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:29,079 we turn it backwards and one consistent 2044 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:31,570 theme that keeps coming up I mean you go 2045 01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,570 back to two vans Stockham spacetime the 2046 01:40:40,049 --> 01:40:37,360 godel metric Tipler cylinders they all 2047 01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,059 involve the rotation of a large mass 2048 01:40:44,910 --> 01:40:42,639 they all involve some sort of spinning 2049 01:40:48,929 --> 01:40:44,920 cyllinder spinning disk and a lot of 2050 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:48,939 more recent papers in this area of study 2051 01:40:55,949 --> 01:40:51,010 also still involve some sort of rotation 2052 01:40:57,929 --> 01:40:55,959 and the biggest consistent thing of ufos 2053 01:40:59,429 --> 01:40:57,939 is that they're rotating oh that would 2054 01:41:01,080 --> 01:40:59,439 be something that would be necessary to 2055 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:01,090 keep it from falling over I mean you 2056 01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:02,650 can't throw a frisbee without spinning 2057 01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:04,420 it for instance but right right even 2058 01:41:09,719 --> 01:41:07,570 beyond that beyond stabilizing it and 2059 01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,729 the propulsion aspects of it it's very 2060 01:41:15,509 --> 01:41:11,679 possible that that spinning 2061 01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,519 characteristic of UFOs is the mechanism 2062 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:18,400 by which they bend light cones over and 2063 01:41:23,219 --> 01:41:21,760 allow the individuals inside to actually 2064 01:41:26,069 --> 01:41:23,229 travel into the past and another thing 2065 01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:26,079 that indicates that is the color change 2066 01:41:33,359 --> 01:41:30,249 that's always expressed in UFO reports 2067 01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,369 where it'll start as sort of a reddish 2068 01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:35,800 color or an orangish color and then get 2069 01:41:38,699 --> 01:41:36,820 brighter and brighter and then just 2070 01:41:40,979 --> 01:41:38,709 disappear and you would expect that with 2071 01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:40,989 something spinning faster and faster it 2072 01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,239 would become more blue shift it as it 2073 01:41:47,339 --> 01:41:44,800 went through the color spectrum and then 2074 01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:47,349 disappear from our position in 2075 01:41:52,919 --> 01:41:50,170 space-time as it moved backwards or 2076 01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:52,929 forwards through it that would explain 2077 01:42:03,330 --> 01:41:57,550 so much where these because I've seen it 2078 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:03,340 myself and the other the other aspect of 2079 01:42:09,870 --> 01:42:06,570 my sightings is that I've always had 2080 01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:09,880 multiple witnesses if not hundreds that 2081 01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:12,159 were standing around me when these 2082 01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:14,440 events have happened where 2083 01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:18,370 these crafts I don't know if they're us 2084 01:42:24,810 --> 01:42:20,590 or them that that part doesn't matter 2085 01:42:29,780 --> 01:42:24,820 the phenomenon is that they just appear 2086 01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:29,790 right and then they disappear some don't 2087 01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:33,130 but there are so many sightings like I 2088 01:42:36,090 --> 01:42:34,480 said purse I'm just talking about 2089 01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:36,100 personal experience this isn't something 2090 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:38,170 that was told to me by somebody else or 2091 01:42:43,729 --> 01:42:40,330 well he's not alone I compiled a whole 2092 01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,739 list of these from very reputable vetted 2093 01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:46,000 sources that describe the exact same 2094 01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:49,600 thing when we had this you just 2095 01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:51,250 mentioned the color blue and I think 2096 01:43:00,350 --> 01:42:55,600 colors are important here as well but I 2097 01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:03,180 layout where okay this is happening and 2098 01:43:07,470 --> 01:43:05,380 it's this color that when it this is 2099 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:07,480 happening it's another color but they 2100 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:09,610 have been different colors and we had 2101 01:43:15,020 --> 01:43:12,130 this sighting Mike check this out this 2102 01:43:19,020 --> 01:43:15,030 was two years ago and I'm going to 2103 01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,030 conservatively say that I had 250 people 2104 01:43:24,090 --> 01:43:20,800 standing around me at this moment 2105 01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:24,100 well I and we were all sky watching 2106 01:43:30,300 --> 01:43:27,580 together a night vision and things and 2107 01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:30,310 we're out in the desert and behind us is 2108 01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:34,360 another 2,000 people that were down at 2109 01:43:38,610 --> 01:43:37,090 the bottom of the hill okay now okay so 2110 01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:38,620 above us 2111 01:43:47,370 --> 01:43:43,810 this craft lights up it kind of blinked 2112 01:43:50,430 --> 01:43:47,380 on now look up into the night sky hold 2113 01:43:52,890 --> 01:43:50,440 up your arms in front of you and you 2114 01:43:55,410 --> 01:43:52,900 know hold them two feet apart that's how 2115 01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:55,420 much of the sky this thing covered it 2116 01:44:01,500 --> 01:43:59,199 was miles right okay so this thing in 2117 01:44:04,260 --> 01:44:01,510 its blue and it flutters on purr and 2118 01:44:06,570 --> 01:44:04,270 it's going from right to left and then 2119 01:44:09,450 --> 01:44:06,580 it goes fully bright and it's it's not 2120 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:09,460 high it's a mile or two high and it's 2121 01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,930 and it's blue aquamarine actually like a 2122 01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:16,480 turquoise and then it goes across stops 2123 01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:19,780 it zags down and it goes back to the 2124 01:44:25,210 --> 01:44:22,690 right a little bit and then takes off to 2125 01:44:28,170 --> 01:44:25,220 the left and it carves in the sky 2126 01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:28,180 the letter Z like a Zorro swoosh swoosh 2127 01:44:34,690 --> 01:44:31,400 it lasted for about three seconds now 2128 01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:34,700 and then and then fluttered and blinked 2129 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:38,930 and and and disappeared know at that 2130 01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:42,890 moment you have to ask yourself what the 2131 01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:51,410 hell was that know and everybody is 2132 01:44:57,670 --> 01:44:54,410 screaming and yelling it zigzag dizzied 2133 01:45:00,970 --> 01:44:57,680 it was blue it was loud I was in the 2134 01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:00,980 crowd is yelling and screaming and it it 2135 01:45:09,730 --> 01:45:07,610 just appeared and then left right it I 2136 01:45:10,690 --> 01:45:09,740 don't know I you know and so what are we 2137 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:10,700 doing with that 2138 01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:13,370 it feels interdimensional it feels like 2139 01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,910 it came from somewhere you know and then 2140 01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:19,040 and then went back to wherever it was it 2141 01:45:25,090 --> 01:45:22,130 could have been and now we go into the 2142 01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:25,100 speculation was it something that is 2143 01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:27,290 always there it just came in to our 2144 01:45:32,230 --> 01:45:29,870 frequency for a brief moment you know 2145 01:45:34,690 --> 01:45:32,240 and then and then left and you know it 2146 01:45:38,650 --> 01:45:34,700 just vibrated at that moment and and it 2147 01:45:40,750 --> 01:45:38,660 was a mistake it's always there a glitch 2148 01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:40,760 in the matrix it's in a glitch in the 2149 01:45:46,510 --> 01:45:43,130 matrix or it was it something that was 2150 01:45:48,370 --> 01:45:46,520 winking at us you know that knew that we 2151 01:45:50,410 --> 01:45:48,380 were there sky watching that there were 2152 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:50,420 thousands of people down there for a UFO 2153 01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:52,970 conference yeah you know I don't know it 2154 01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:56,090 was it us from the future going hey you 2155 01:46:00,220 --> 01:45:58,130 know what's interesting about that 2156 01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:00,230 question in the context of people 2157 01:46:04,780 --> 01:46:02,510 looking for something as as Hawking did 2158 01:46:10,180 --> 01:46:04,790 the same thing he threw a party and 2159 01:46:11,950 --> 01:46:10,190 didn't invite anybody but yeah the time 2160 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:11,960 travelers used by and nobody came to his 2161 01:46:15,790 --> 01:46:14,090 party so he said oh time travelers must 2162 01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:15,800 not exist and there's a lot wrong with 2163 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:18,860 that idea to start with that's that 2164 01:46:23,020 --> 01:46:20,330 would be an example of confirmation bias 2165 01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:23,030 I I regret to say cuz I I really have a 2166 01:46:26,530 --> 01:46:24,530 lot of respect for Stephen Hawking has 2167 01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:26,540 worked with that particular experiment 2168 01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:30,260 using air quotes wasn't anything like 2169 01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:33,890 that but the point is the same that if 2170 01:46:38,590 --> 01:46:36,380 there is knowledge of this gathering of 2171 01:46:41,410 --> 01:46:38,600 people in the future 2172 01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:41,420 there is some willingness to accommodate 2173 01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:43,730 they know that that's happening because 2174 01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:45,910 that's a part of their past they can 2175 01:46:51,070 --> 01:46:47,810 understand that this event is taking 2176 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:51,080 place hey we're on our way to 5000 BC 2177 01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:53,450 but let's stop in at that particular 2178 01:46:58,150 --> 01:46:55,850 time and amused these people with his 2179 01:47:00,360 --> 01:46:58,160 orezi in the sky I mean that they could 2180 01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:00,370 do that beings from a different planet 2181 01:47:05,250 --> 01:47:02,570 wouldn't have that knowledge they 2182 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:05,260 wouldn't have the ability just to pop in 2183 01:47:10,570 --> 01:47:08,090 make a Z and then disappear they would 2184 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:10,580 be coming from somewhere going somewhere 2185 01:47:15,370 --> 01:47:13,610 in our same recognizable place in 2186 01:47:17,980 --> 01:47:15,380 space-time something that's going 2187 01:47:20,110 --> 01:47:17,990 through our position in the fourth 2188 01:47:23,490 --> 01:47:20,120 dimension would be able to pop in and 2189 01:47:26,170 --> 01:47:23,500 out and in so many UFO accounts involve 2190 01:47:28,750 --> 01:47:26,180 that popping in and out they just showed 2191 01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:28,760 up a lot of them come from the sky and 2192 01:47:32,860 --> 01:47:30,590 it makes sense why historically and 2193 01:47:35,170 --> 01:47:32,870 prehistorically we attach this notion of 2194 01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:35,180 you know these interplanetary inter 2195 01:47:41,110 --> 01:47:38,810 solar system travelers but it's probably 2196 01:47:43,930 --> 01:47:41,120 easier to spin your craft with less 2197 01:47:46,660 --> 01:47:43,940 friction from the atmosphere up in space 2198 01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:46,670 and then once they attained the point in 2199 01:47:50,620 --> 01:47:48,560 time that they were looking for descend 2200 01:47:53,530 --> 01:47:50,630 from the sky and oh they came from the 2201 01:47:55,420 --> 01:47:53,540 star so they're extraterrestrial but 2202 01:48:00,280 --> 01:47:55,430 there's there's a lot of things that can 2203 01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:00,290 be explained that way using this this 2204 01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:03,410 extra time pastoral model that are 2205 01:48:08,050 --> 01:48:05,420 sometimes harder to explain with an 2206 01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:08,060 extraterrestrial model I guess now with 2207 01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:13,370 your research just in in archeology and 2208 01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:16,960 anthropology have you seen anything 2209 01:48:24,490 --> 01:48:21,520 where you went okay this is out of place 2210 01:48:27,310 --> 01:48:24,500 this shouldn't be here you don't have to 2211 01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:27,320 discuss it with your with your friends 2212 01:48:31,740 --> 01:48:28,930 but was there anything out of place that 2213 01:48:37,570 --> 01:48:31,750 suggested to you that this was going on 2214 01:48:40,210 --> 01:48:37,580 I mean most of what I do is is pre 2215 01:48:42,930 --> 01:48:40,220 cultural you know I work with really 2216 01:48:46,990 --> 01:48:42,940 early hominins I I did work at a 2217 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:47,000 Neanderthal site and this really query 2218 01:48:51,730 --> 01:48:49,010 of southern France coach cioppino on 2219 01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:51,740 Jean Zack and it was a Neanderthal site 2220 01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:52,570 that was a 2221 01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:54,310 about a hundred seventy five thousand 2222 01:49:01,170 --> 01:48:55,600 years ago and that that's really the 2223 01:49:03,050 --> 01:49:01,180 only site where I worked with with with 2224 01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:03,060 culture well that's not true 2225 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:05,830 I've worked with a lot of Native 2226 01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,410 American artifacts here in Montana I 2227 01:49:14,940 --> 01:49:10,480 actually direct an archeological dig but 2228 01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:14,950 but in in those sites the artifacts we 2229 01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:17,710 find the features that we find nothing 2230 01:49:22,380 --> 01:49:20,590 really jumps out at me there hasn't 2231 01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:22,390 really been anything strange in those 2232 01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:25,720 it's all pretty normal for that time in 2233 01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:26,590 place there 2234 01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:30,130 there are certainly ones that that raise 2235 01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:31,570 more questions 2236 01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:35,290 sort of a classic example is as Nazca I 2237 01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:37,750 mean you could have people doing that 2238 01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:40,090 for any number of reasons and again when 2239 01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:42,070 you see something like that it's it's 2240 01:49:47,490 --> 01:49:45,160 open for interpretation and until we can 2241 01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:47,500 go back in time and ask them why are you 2242 01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:49,870 doing this we can't know the very first 2243 01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:52,330 place we would go would probably Nazca 2244 01:49:55,470 --> 01:49:54,010 to ask them why are you doing this and 2245 01:49:57,210 --> 01:49:55,480 then they see us come down and say I 2246 01:49:59,310 --> 01:49:57,220 want you to come back so I make a big 2247 01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:59,320 astronaut character on the side of a 2248 01:50:03,060 --> 01:50:00,780 mountain to see if you'll come back 2249 01:50:05,310 --> 01:50:03,070 which comes back to the whole issue of 2250 01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:05,320 influence in the past even if you're not 2251 01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:08,050 trying to what I do talk about some of 2252 01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:11,400 those in the book you know cautiously 2253 01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:14,650 examining certain archaeological 2254 01:50:21,480 --> 01:50:17,650 features and artifacts that that do seem 2255 01:50:24,270 --> 01:50:21,490 to indicate something people usually add 2256 01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:24,280 the word otherworldly here I would say 2257 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:27,130 other timely I need to work on that it's 2258 01:50:31,770 --> 01:50:29,080 not a very good word but no I like that 2259 01:50:35,370 --> 01:50:31,780 I like that have you have you I checked 2260 01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:35,380 out the work of Michael Cremo I have not 2261 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:37,270 actually have a big list going here of 2262 01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:39,010 people that I'm gonna check out tomorrow 2263 01:50:49,530 --> 01:50:42,670 so ok Michael Cremo say it's really C re 2264 01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:49,540 mo Michael Cremo and his research now he 2265 01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:53,860 goes back now he stretches it okay but 2266 01:51:00,150 --> 01:50:57,520 he goes back and suggests high high 2267 01:51:04,290 --> 01:51:00,160 technology and civilizations that have 2268 01:51:06,430 --> 01:51:04,300 come and gone a billion years ago five 2269 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:06,440 hundred million years ago not 2270 01:51:12,939 --> 01:51:09,290 four million not three we're not 65 but 2271 01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:12,949 he goes back and he has got a he has 2272 01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:16,400 compiled different objects a hundreds if 2273 01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:22,540 not thousands that have been surfaced 2274 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:27,040 around the world in different different 2275 01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:30,290 environments such as you're gonna have 2276 01:51:34,630 --> 01:51:33,140 to go and and and check this out for 2277 01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:34,640 yourself but I'll throw something out 2278 01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:40,250 there a coal mine you know five miles 2279 01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:46,910 deep and they find in coal that is a 2280 01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:52,400 hundred million years old a screw right 2281 01:51:59,770 --> 01:51:57,070 now you know and and again I'm speaking 2282 01:52:01,930 --> 01:51:59,780 you know I'm just kind of making this up 2283 01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:01,940 but he's got a lot of different examples 2284 01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:04,850 of this and a lot from around the world 2285 01:52:10,689 --> 01:52:07,370 which suggests something really crazy 2286 01:52:13,180 --> 01:52:10,699 and and for you if you were say at this 2287 01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:13,190 175 thousand year old Neanderthal site 2288 01:52:19,630 --> 01:52:16,190 in in France and you guys are digging 2289 01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:19,640 around and and you see a cell phone in a 2290 01:52:25,390 --> 01:52:22,880 Neanderthal 's hands I'm being facetious 2291 01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:25,400 here you know but wouldn't that actually 2292 01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:29,840 did happen I'm serious we were in one of 2293 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:31,670 the best areas of the site where we 2294 01:52:37,150 --> 01:52:34,690 found or known as Michelle you know 2295 01:52:38,740 --> 01:52:37,160 Moose Tyrion have a Julian tradition 2296 01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:38,750 hand axe as the French switch those two 2297 01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:41,690 words around and all of a sudden we're 2298 01:52:47,530 --> 01:52:45,500 finding like paper cups and forks and 2299 01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:47,540 things and we're like what I don't think 2300 01:52:52,030 --> 01:52:49,250 you know those others turns out somebody 2301 01:52:53,380 --> 01:52:52,040 dug a long drop right over that spot 2302 01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:53,390 where we're digging and ended right 2303 01:52:58,750 --> 01:52:55,280 there so not only did we have all this 2304 01:53:01,959 --> 01:52:58,760 stuff we had human waste seeping up 2305 01:53:03,820 --> 01:53:01,969 through it as anyway that's that's not 2306 01:53:10,050 --> 01:53:03,830 your point but it did it did actually 2307 01:53:15,790 --> 01:53:10,060 happen but if you found something like a 2308 01:53:18,250 --> 01:53:15,800 metal acts at a Neanderthal site yeah 2309 01:53:20,290 --> 01:53:18,260 that would be mind-blowing absolutely 2310 01:53:24,990 --> 01:53:20,300 and we would publish it 2311 01:53:29,169 --> 01:53:25,000 everybody would throw us out of academia 2312 01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:29,179 it's unfortunate if you find something 2313 01:53:33,790 --> 01:53:30,980 and you date it really really well this 2314 01:53:36,220 --> 01:53:33,800 just happened actually they found some 2315 01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:36,230 mammoth bones that I think in California 2316 01:53:39,370 --> 01:53:37,730 down there where you are there are 2317 01:53:41,260 --> 01:53:39,380 mammoth bones that look like they've 2318 01:53:42,819 --> 01:53:41,270 been cut but they dated it's like a 2319 01:53:45,549 --> 01:53:42,829 hundred and twenty thousand years ago 2320 01:53:48,549 --> 01:53:45,559 that was in San Diego last year yes yeah 2321 01:53:50,770 --> 01:53:48,559 and they were saying you know humans who 2322 01:53:53,169 --> 01:53:50,780 at the earliest maybe came here thirty 2323 01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:53,179 thousand years ago maybe arrived on in 2324 01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:54,800 20 and everybody just went crazy 2325 01:54:01,240 --> 01:53:58,010 they said no it's not possible it could 2326 01:54:05,049 --> 01:54:01,250 never happen and and and you know even 2327 01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:05,059 if it didn't give them some credit you 2328 01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:07,070 know check their data check their dating 2329 01:54:11,649 --> 01:54:09,650 methods let it ride for a while try to 2330 01:54:13,569 --> 01:54:11,659 find some other sites I think it's 2331 01:54:17,140 --> 01:54:13,579 unfortunate that people are so quick to 2332 01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,150 just jump all over anybody that says 2333 01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:19,760 anything that deviates from the standard 2334 01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:22,400 happened with with Homo Naledi down in 2335 01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:25,520 South Africa when they found that they 2336 01:54:28,689 --> 01:54:27,170 were went a little over the top saying 2337 01:54:30,189 --> 01:54:28,699 that it was intentional burial and 2338 01:54:33,490 --> 01:54:30,199 things like that probably for media 2339 01:54:35,439 --> 01:54:33,500 attention which which worked but they 2340 01:54:36,970 --> 01:54:35,449 didn't really know exactly what it was 2341 01:54:38,890 --> 01:54:36,980 they didn't have a date when they 2342 01:54:41,140 --> 01:54:38,900 published their results they didn't 2343 01:54:42,669 --> 01:54:41,150 publish it in nature science like they 2344 01:54:43,959 --> 01:54:42,679 were supposed to they didn't consult all 2345 01:54:46,689 --> 01:54:43,969 the good old boys of paleoanthropology 2346 01:54:49,209 --> 01:54:46,699 first they just published what they had 2347 01:54:49,689 --> 01:54:49,219 so what they had to say and people went 2348 01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:49,699 nuts 2349 01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:53,210 and over time they've kind of calmed 2350 01:54:58,240 --> 01:54:55,130 down and accepted that homeowner lady is 2351 01:55:01,089 --> 01:54:58,250 an actual specimen Lee burger isn't the 2352 01:55:05,379 --> 01:55:01,099 Antichrist anymore it happens all the 2353 01:55:07,629 --> 01:55:05,389 time but yeah if we did we would 2354 01:55:09,250 --> 01:55:07,639 definitely acknowledge that something 2355 01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:09,260 else has happened there and and the 2356 01:55:13,530 --> 01:55:10,880 issue with time travel again I don't 2357 01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:13,540 think that they're looking to plant 2358 01:55:21,010 --> 01:55:16,489 metal axes and the and earth all sites I 2359 01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:21,020 think the intent is to not intervene in 2360 01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,730 the past as much as possible and there's 2361 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:24,320 still the question of how far back they 2362 01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:28,010 can go a lot of physicists don't think 2363 01:55:33,580 --> 01:55:30,290 you can travel back in time farther than 2364 01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:33,590 the first time machine when rice built 2365 01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:34,370 right 2366 01:55:39,730 --> 01:55:36,560 I have to talk about that a lot in the 2367 01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:39,740 book obviously we're good I have to take 2368 01:55:45,610 --> 01:55:41,210 a break right here I actually want to 2369 01:55:48,250 --> 01:55:45,620 address that because Einstein had no 2370 01:55:51,850 --> 01:55:48,260 issues with traveling into the future oh 2371 01:55:53,260 --> 01:55:51,860 you know okay well we can do that we do 2372 01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:53,270 that every day we're we're time 2373 01:56:00,580 --> 01:55:57,290 traveling right now but going backwards 2374 01:56:04,690 --> 01:56:00,590 ginormous amounts of energy that's the 2375 01:56:07,210 --> 01:56:04,700 first idea here but but that it is 2376 01:56:09,850 --> 01:56:07,220 basically impossible but then he had the 2377 01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:09,860 whole time loop issue which 2378 01:56:14,710 --> 01:56:13,130 mathematically worked so there was that 2379 01:56:17,530 --> 01:56:14,720 too as well I'm looking at one of the 2380 01:56:20,260 --> 01:56:17,540 most disturbing pictures and Twitter 2381 01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,270 whoever tweeted that that's Eric that is 2382 01:56:27,460 --> 01:56:22,880 the craziest picture I'm not going to 2383 01:56:29,950 --> 01:56:27,470 bother you with this Michael it's a no 2384 01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:29,960 no no no it's not it's not that but it's 2385 01:56:38,650 --> 01:56:34,880 it's it's this is fade to black that's 2386 01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:38,660 not Eric our guest tonight dr. 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Brooks why fade to black 2468 02:00:36,910 --> 02:00:34,990 this is fade to black 2469 02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:36,920 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2470 02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:40,610 radio network and K GRA the global radio 2471 02:00:53,730 --> 02:00:42,970 alliance 2472 02:00:58,240 --> 02:00:56,260 welcome back fade to black cameos Timmy 2473 02:01:01,480 --> 02:00:58,250 Church you can follow me on Twitter at 2474 02:01:02,830 --> 02:01:01,490 Jay Church radio our guest tonight dr. 2475 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:02,840 Michael P Masterson 2476 02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:05,450 you can follow him on Twitter at Morpho 2477 02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:10,400 time mor pho time at more fo time it's 2478 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:11,090 right there 2479 02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:15,290 and you mentioned dr. masters you 2480 02:01:22,450 --> 02:01:19,250 mentioned earlier nazca have you had a 2481 02:01:27,330 --> 02:01:22,460 chance to check out maria the three 2482 02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:27,340 fingered three toed mummy from Nazca 2483 02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:32,410 have not okay I'll send you some links 2484 02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:35,690 okay so yeah it's it's pretty 2485 02:01:41,500 --> 02:01:38,330 interesting you need to go and look at 2486 02:01:46,210 --> 02:01:41,510 their research and and their DNA results 2487 02:01:49,140 --> 02:01:46,220 are coming in now 1800 years old three 2488 02:01:52,660 --> 02:01:49,150 fingers three toes long fingers two 2489 02:01:57,700 --> 02:01:52,670 three fingers three toes they've got all 2490 02:01:59,560 --> 02:01:57,710 of the the MRIs and x-rays and all of 2491 02:02:02,740 --> 02:01:59,570 that is posted up in videos this is with 2492 02:02:05,380 --> 02:02:02,750 a guy on Gaia television and they've got 2493 02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:05,390 a pretty interesting video series this 2494 02:02:11,950 --> 02:02:07,490 was revealed 2495 02:02:16,210 --> 02:02:11,960 I'm gonna guess and say November 2017 2496 02:02:19,090 --> 02:02:16,220 the research is ongoing but you you know 2497 02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:19,100 anthropology and anatomy and archeology 2498 02:02:24,010 --> 02:02:22,010 and everything that you study and teach 2499 02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:24,020 this is something that you should take a 2500 02:02:27,010 --> 02:02:25,280 look at it's pretty interesting 2501 02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:27,020 yeah I know you definitely piqued my 2502 02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:28,850 interest and heard of that but anything 2503 02:02:34,930 --> 02:02:32,000 with three fingers or three toes it's 2504 02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:34,940 definitely worth worth looking into yeah 2505 02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:38,680 kind of hard if you okay you mentioned 2506 02:02:47,290 --> 02:02:43,280 Egyptian mummies you've done a numerous 2507 02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:47,300 amount of digs if you could is it 2508 02:02:56,740 --> 02:02:54,370 possible to construct three fingered 2509 02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:56,750 three-toed I'm talking about the bones 2510 02:03:04,810 --> 02:03:00,080 and everything and cover it with two 2511 02:03:07,190 --> 02:03:04,820 thousand-year-old skin and somehow fool 2512 02:03:14,780 --> 02:03:07,200 anthropologists and fool yourself it 2513 02:03:20,990 --> 02:03:18,260 I mean skin definitely shrinks up over 2514 02:03:23,180 --> 02:03:21,000 time I don't know why you would in the 2515 02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:23,190 first place that's probably the biggest 2516 02:03:31,730 --> 02:03:29,010 question but I mean I probably I don't 2517 02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:31,740 know you think you can hold it off okay 2518 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:36,840 it with with technology from what 2,000 2519 02:03:43,460 --> 02:03:39,930 years ago you said 1800 years ago I mean 2520 02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:43,470 they would have had stone tools like Lee 2521 02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:45,210 obsidian which is pretty sharp it's 2522 02:03:53,690 --> 02:03:47,520 sharper there are no I'm asking to say 2523 02:04:01,250 --> 02:03:53,700 no could you do it today to vote no you 2524 02:04:03,950 --> 02:04:01,260 could right well back then you got fresh 2525 02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:03,960 skin yeah right that's that's what I was 2526 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:05,490 imagining but no I don't think you could 2527 02:04:13,250 --> 02:04:09,810 do that now in any logistical usable way 2528 02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:13,260 no it would be able yeah and then you 2529 02:04:17,060 --> 02:04:15,810 write the stratigraphy you know 2,000 2530 02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:17,070 years where it would have to be 2531 02:04:20,690 --> 02:04:18,510 underground you would you'd be able to 2532 02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:20,700 see where they dug to put it there no 2533 02:04:25,700 --> 02:04:22,890 that wouldn't be possible okay all right 2534 02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:25,710 well that answers that let's get back to 2535 02:04:35,450 --> 02:04:32,070 time travel okay yes so as as you are 2536 02:04:38,270 --> 02:04:35,460 writing this are you discussing time 2537 02:04:41,300 --> 02:04:38,280 travel with others around you 2538 02:04:47,090 --> 02:04:41,310 professional academics absolutely yeah 2539 02:04:50,750 --> 02:04:47,100 what's interesting about that is that we 2540 02:04:53,300 --> 02:04:50,760 have another social network for for 2541 02:04:55,550 --> 02:04:53,310 academics called ResearchGate which kind 2542 02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:55,560 of keeps track of our publications and 2543 02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:57,930 how interested people are and then makes 2544 02:05:02,000 --> 02:04:59,520 us feel worse about ourselves from 2545 02:05:04,010 --> 02:05:02,010 people harness interesting it gives us a 2546 02:05:06,980 --> 02:05:04,020 score and then we can compare that to 2547 02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:06,990 other people who we emulate in any case 2548 02:05:13,100 --> 02:05:09,570 I posted on there a pretty simple 2549 02:05:16,010 --> 02:05:13,110 question a few months ago about how 2550 02:05:18,020 --> 02:05:16,020 physicists view time in the context of 2551 02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:18,030 landscape block time 2552 02:05:25,310 --> 02:05:22,710 which naturally an implication of that 2553 02:05:27,650 --> 02:05:25,320 is that there isn't really the 2554 02:05:30,770 --> 02:05:27,660 opportunity for free will if everything 2555 02:05:32,750 --> 02:05:30,780 that is and that's right whatsoever will 2556 02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:32,760 be there can't be decisions you feel 2557 02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:35,490 like you're making decisions and and 90% 2558 02:05:40,130 --> 02:05:38,370 of physicists even though you know they 2559 02:05:41,810 --> 02:05:40,140 know they don't make decisions they feel 2560 02:05:43,130 --> 02:05:41,820 like they do and we talk about what do 2561 02:05:45,890 --> 02:05:43,140 we one do for dinner what do you want to 2562 02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:45,900 do next weekend we we discuss things 2563 02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:48,330 even though we know that we're not 2564 02:05:53,330 --> 02:05:51,480 really deciding that call for you two 2565 02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:53,340 it does and it's really changed my 2566 02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:55,040 perception of time and my understanding 2567 02:06:02,030 --> 02:05:58,260 of not just time but but energy you know 2568 02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:02,040 I see things happen you know we went out 2569 02:06:06,620 --> 02:06:04,440 fishing on this this great river the 2570 02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:06,630 other day and and whenever you catch a 2571 02:06:10,730 --> 02:06:08,280 fish it's exciting you you have this 2572 02:06:13,940 --> 02:06:10,740 emotion and you feel happy and you're 2573 02:06:16,550 --> 02:06:13,950 fighting this animal and and it elicits 2574 02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:16,560 very positive emotions on the way up my 2575 02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:18,000 daughter and I for no reason whatsoever 2576 02:06:22,130 --> 02:06:20,490 got in this huge fight and we're 2577 02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:22,140 screaming at each other and I remember 2578 02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:23,490 thinking after that well that's at least 2579 02:06:28,700 --> 02:06:25,920 two fish worth of fighting because the 2580 02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:28,710 negative energy from that emotional 2581 02:06:33,470 --> 02:06:31,110 conflict is counterbalanced by the 2582 02:06:35,690 --> 02:06:33,480 positive energy from the fish and it's 2583 02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:35,700 just the way I kind of view time and 2584 02:06:40,940 --> 02:06:38,370 experience now that it's not you know me 2585 02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:40,950 doing something that has this effect but 2586 02:06:45,320 --> 02:06:42,810 rather I'm just living through it and I 2587 02:06:47,570 --> 02:06:45,330 understand and then it's something that 2588 02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:47,580 as it turns out people have very strong 2589 02:06:55,490 --> 02:06:50,250 opinions about because once I posted 2590 02:06:57,740 --> 02:06:55,500 this on research gape within a couple 2591 02:07:00,740 --> 02:06:57,750 days there were physicists and 2592 02:07:01,970 --> 02:07:00,750 philosophers and an anthropologists and 2593 02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:01,980 all these people from all these 2594 02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:04,170 different fields just writing you know 2595 02:07:10,130 --> 02:07:07,590 thousand word essays about time and 2596 02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:10,140 about free will and and it was it was 2597 02:07:18,490 --> 02:07:12,360 amazing to me like people really care 2598 02:07:21,770 --> 02:07:18,500 about this and and it provided me an 2599 02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,780 instant and actually free way of getting 2600 02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:24,000 a lot of different viewpoints from a lot 2601 02:07:28,430 --> 02:07:25,110 of different people in a lot of 2602 02:07:30,830 --> 02:07:28,440 different fields about what what time is 2603 02:07:31,819 --> 02:07:30,840 to them in a philosophical sense of 2604 02:07:37,330 --> 02:07:31,829 physical sense 2605 02:07:39,709 --> 02:07:37,340 and what you know what free will is how 2606 02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:39,719 determinism plays into their lives and 2607 02:07:46,220 --> 02:07:42,570 how they reconcile that lack of free 2608 02:07:48,549 --> 02:07:46,230 will with the everyday feeling that 2609 02:07:51,470 --> 02:07:48,559 they're making decisions so so yeah I 2610 02:07:54,140 --> 02:07:51,480 that was a great opportunity to discuss 2611 02:07:56,540 --> 02:07:54,150 this with a lot of people and a forum 2612 02:07:59,600 --> 02:07:56,550 that I didn't ever expect would be so 2613 02:08:01,660 --> 02:07:59,610 fruitful well do you do you think that 2614 02:08:06,589 --> 02:08:01,670 you have free will 2615 02:08:08,299 --> 02:08:06,599 no I don't see and is it that fat okay 2616 02:08:11,299 --> 02:08:08,309 have you talked to Leonard Susskind 2617 02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:11,309 about this I have not but I'm writing it 2618 02:08:15,740 --> 02:08:11,520 down 2619 02:08:18,919 --> 02:08:15,750 right okay when when we when you get 2620 02:08:21,290 --> 02:08:18,929 into conversations with these different 2621 02:08:25,220 --> 02:08:21,300 theoretical physicist or a string 2622 02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:25,230 theorist where you know string theorists 2623 02:08:28,129 --> 02:08:26,610 so tell you what you know string theory 2624 02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:28,139 has never been proven wrong it's always 2625 02:08:34,879 --> 02:08:31,290 been right and and you have that then 2626 02:08:36,589 --> 02:08:34,889 you have the the others out there the 2627 02:08:39,020 --> 02:08:36,599 theoretical physicists and 2628 02:08:44,740 --> 02:08:39,030 astrophysicists where they're talking 2629 02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:44,750 about math and math is just math and 2630 02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:48,719 things from the Big Bang forward are 2631 02:08:55,129 --> 02:08:52,770 just math things played out because and 2632 02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:55,139 the math works and the math will 2633 02:09:01,100 --> 02:08:58,320 continue to work and everything in the 2634 02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:01,110 future is already there because the math 2635 02:09:07,790 --> 02:09:05,040 is going to say it is so that that's a 2636 02:09:09,260 --> 02:09:07,800 disturbing thought when it is it's a 2637 02:09:11,060 --> 02:09:09,270 disturbing thought because there are 2638 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:11,070 those out there that are gonna be you 2639 02:09:16,609 --> 02:09:14,010 know what today I was gonna have a 2640 02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:16,619 cheeseburger but then I decided to have 2641 02:09:22,910 --> 02:09:20,130 a chicken salad and I changed my mind 2642 02:09:24,770 --> 02:09:22,920 that was freewill and then you have the 2643 02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:24,780 other side that's gonna say that was 2644 02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:28,050 math playing out yeah you were gonna do 2645 02:09:32,479 --> 02:09:29,010 that anyway 2646 02:09:34,939 --> 02:09:32,489 you think it's free will you know the 2647 02:09:38,330 --> 02:09:34,949 most enlightening thing about reading 2648 02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:38,340 and all of those those posts and and 2649 02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:40,770 commenting and discussing and and I was 2650 02:09:44,990 --> 02:09:42,750 amazed how quickly it blew up and I just 2651 02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:45,000 kind of let it ride like I would dip in 2652 02:09:49,250 --> 02:09:47,490 every now and then to sort of get the 2653 02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:49,260 conversation back on track but by the 2654 02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,210 end of it there were like 75 comments 2655 02:09:57,470 --> 02:09:53,040 from these researchers from all over the 2656 02:09:59,630 --> 02:09:57,480 world and the most insightful thing for 2657 02:10:03,730 --> 02:09:59,640 me that came out of it is it comes down 2658 02:10:07,010 --> 02:10:03,740 to one thing there's people that have a 2659 02:10:08,660 --> 02:10:07,020 future-oriented perspective and there's 2660 02:10:11,420 --> 02:10:08,670 people that have a past oriented 2661 02:10:13,730 --> 02:10:11,430 perspective and if you are living in 2662 02:10:14,300 --> 02:10:13,740 this moment this now which now doesn't 2663 02:10:17,210 --> 02:10:14,310 exist 2664 02:10:18,620 --> 02:10:17,220 st. Augustine Einstein people have 2665 02:10:21,260 --> 02:10:18,630 talked about that for a long time there 2666 02:10:23,300 --> 02:10:21,270 is no now but if you're looking forward 2667 02:10:25,130 --> 02:10:23,310 it feels like there's all of these 2668 02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:25,140 possibilities there's all of these 2669 02:10:29,050 --> 02:10:27,090 things you could choose to do to change 2670 02:10:32,660 --> 02:10:29,060 your life to become something different 2671 02:10:35,060 --> 02:10:32,670 but in the end there's only one outcome 2672 02:10:37,820 --> 02:10:35,070 if you look back at it there's only one 2673 02:10:38,900 --> 02:10:37,830 thing that actually happened and and of 2674 02:10:40,850 --> 02:10:38,910 course you know that there's the 2675 02:10:41,930 --> 02:10:40,860 multiverse model and there's this idea 2676 02:10:44,030 --> 02:10:41,940 that there's all of these other 2677 02:10:45,860 --> 02:10:44,040 universes where all of these infant and 2678 02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:45,870 other things happen but and the only one 2679 02:10:53,030 --> 02:10:49,530 we know only one thing happened and that 2680 02:10:54,860 --> 02:10:53,040 is is the biggest divide I think is that 2681 02:10:57,260 --> 02:10:54,870 you know the mathematicians the 2682 02:10:59,320 --> 02:10:57,270 physicists understand it not as just 2683 02:11:02,750 --> 02:10:59,330 looking back but even looking forward 2684 02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:02,760 eventually that looking back it's 2685 02:11:06,380 --> 02:11:05,040 already there it already exists but but 2686 02:11:08,450 --> 02:11:06,390 and there's you know there's a 2687 02:11:10,010 --> 02:11:08,460 psychological part to people really want 2688 02:11:11,300 --> 02:11:10,020 to feel like they're making decisions 2689 02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:11,310 they really want to feel like they have 2690 02:11:18,020 --> 02:11:15,650 control me personally I love it I I love 2691 02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:18,030 it's almost like you know you're going 2692 02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:19,530 on a long road trip you don't have to 2693 02:11:23,150 --> 02:11:21,450 drive you're just sitting there you know 2694 02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:23,160 drinking your coffee in the passenger 2695 02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:24,930 seat looking at the beautiful mountains 2696 02:11:29,150 --> 02:11:27,330 and and you're along for the ride and I 2697 02:11:32,240 --> 02:11:29,160 find that liberating but a lot of people 2698 02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:32,250 really really really don't like that now 2699 02:11:40,510 --> 02:11:37,650 okay we I before I let you say goodnight 2700 02:11:44,210 --> 02:11:40,520 I want to talk about parallel worlds 2701 02:11:45,490 --> 02:11:44,220 because when we deal on the quantum 2702 02:11:47,810 --> 02:11:45,500 level 2703 02:11:50,090 --> 02:11:47,820 Silicon Valley is going to tell you that 2704 02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:50,100 parallel worlds exists is science 2705 02:11:57,140 --> 02:11:53,760 fiction as that may sound to to most for 2706 02:11:58,120 --> 02:11:57,150 quantum computing to even operate those 2707 02:12:07,300 --> 02:11:58,130 qubits 2708 02:12:11,890 --> 02:12:07,310 and another at great distances in 2709 02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:11,900 infinite right my understanding of 2710 02:12:17,020 --> 02:12:14,330 quantum entanglement and in quantum 2711 02:12:20,380 --> 02:12:17,030 computing is that the manipulation of 2712 02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:20,390 these particles here causes an effect 2713 02:12:26,380 --> 02:12:22,490 because they're entangled but but still 2714 02:12:30,610 --> 02:12:26,390 in are still in our universe still in 2715 02:12:33,490 --> 02:12:30,620 our dimension I guess and and I that's 2716 02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:33,500 not an area that I've investigated to 2717 02:12:38,500 --> 02:12:35,570 really any extent but but my understand 2718 02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:38,510 of quantum computing is that a change 2719 02:12:42,700 --> 02:12:40,610 that you elicit here I mean a 1 into 0 2720 02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:42,710 that's all computers are you make a 1 2721 02:12:46,690 --> 02:12:44,450 here it makes a 1 over there and a 2722 02:12:49,540 --> 02:12:46,700 different computer on the other side of 2723 02:12:51,010 --> 02:12:49,550 the world but still in our position in 2724 02:12:53,110 --> 02:12:51,020 space-time and I could be wrong about 2725 02:12:56,050 --> 02:12:53,120 that I'll admit that it's not something 2726 02:13:01,290 --> 02:12:56,060 I know a lot about but the the 2727 02:13:03,820 --> 02:13:01,300 multiverse is it's interesting it's 2728 02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:03,830 there's a big debate there too I mean 2729 02:13:07,780 --> 02:13:05,690 the same way that anthropologists fight 2730 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:07,790 about the Out of Africa and the 2731 02:13:13,450 --> 02:13:10,970 multi-regional list model there's a big 2732 02:13:16,420 --> 02:13:13,460 debate among physicists about about the 2733 02:13:21,010 --> 02:13:16,430 multiverse interpretation as well string 2734 02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:21,020 theory I it'll be a while probably 2735 02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:24,770 before we we really know I thought a lot 2736 02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:26,330 of things are like that in physics right 2737 02:13:33,550 --> 02:13:29,210 now well that's right but anybody from 2738 02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:33,560 the future and a in a vast amount of the 2739 02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,360 future I mean way out ten thousand 2740 02:13:39,310 --> 02:13:37,040 twenty thousand a million years in the 2741 02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:39,320 future understands all of this 2742 02:13:44,890 --> 02:13:41,840 absolutely yeah and that's the biggest 2743 02:13:47,050 --> 02:13:44,900 reason that at that pier of your having 2744 02:13:49,300 --> 02:13:47,060 me rate that is we just can't know right 2745 02:13:54,490 --> 02:13:49,310 now there's and the whole focus of the 2746 02:13:56,890 --> 02:13:54,500 book is is a realistic perspective of 2747 02:13:59,290 --> 02:13:56,900 what we can know and what we can't well 2748 02:14:02,050 --> 02:13:59,300 how much we can project forward from 2749 02:14:04,660 --> 02:14:02,060 past cultural changes to changes in 2750 02:14:06,190 --> 02:14:04,670 technology changes in human evolution 2751 02:14:09,540 --> 02:14:06,200 and then again because it's time travel 2752 02:14:11,669 --> 02:14:09,550 you have this issue of 2753 02:14:13,410 --> 02:14:11,679 loop's for me between the future and the 2754 02:14:15,839 --> 02:14:13,420 present like what if you know that crash 2755 02:14:19,470 --> 02:14:15,849 in Roswell in 1947 really did occur were 2756 02:14:22,819 --> 02:14:19,480 instantly exposed to technology that 2757 02:14:25,530 --> 02:14:22,829 exists very far in our future that 2758 02:14:27,780 --> 02:14:25,540 influences the formation of that very 2759 02:14:30,419 --> 02:14:27,790 technology in the future these these 2760 02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:30,429 loops and it creates the question of who 2761 02:14:35,399 --> 02:14:32,639 invented it who invented that technology 2762 02:14:38,250 --> 02:14:35,409 and there there's a lot of a lot of 2763 02:14:41,459 --> 02:14:38,260 questions like that that come in into 2764 02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:41,469 the conversation when you have when you 2765 02:14:44,089 --> 02:14:42,520 have time travel when you have 2766 02:14:47,819 --> 02:14:44,099 connections across the fourth dimension 2767 02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:47,829 well do you think a lot of things 2768 02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:52,210 happened in 1947 there was a big year it 2769 02:14:59,220 --> 02:14:55,630 was a very very very big year I made a 2770 02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:59,230 list this is a few years ago but I went 2771 02:15:03,810 --> 02:15:01,599 through and it took me a while but I 2772 02:15:08,569 --> 02:15:03,820 went through and just looked at all of 2773 02:15:12,689 --> 02:15:08,579 the events of 1947 and I had about 200 2774 02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:12,699 and yeah and and so we have the 2775 02:15:16,350 --> 02:15:14,650 technology side we have the 2776 02:15:17,819 --> 02:15:16,360 philosophical side we have the 2777 02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:17,829 government political side and the 2778 02:15:25,799 --> 02:15:20,730 geopolitical side a lot of things 2779 02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:25,809 happened culturally in 1947 and you have 2780 02:15:29,250 --> 02:15:27,610 to go back and say well okay what was 2781 02:15:32,189 --> 02:15:29,260 the other big thing what could have 2782 02:15:34,290 --> 02:15:32,199 caused this and it seems so it's like 2783 02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:34,300 Occam's razor right well you've got that 2784 02:15:42,899 --> 02:15:38,290 crass or Roswell and could it be just 2785 02:15:46,379 --> 02:15:42,909 that as so many things happened in 1947 2786 02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:46,389 I mean project saucer project sign they 2787 02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:50,290 they were established in 1948 project 2788 02:15:56,010 --> 02:15:52,530 grudge that grew out of that 2789 02:15:58,049 --> 02:15:56,020 yeah it it and these aren't you know 2790 02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,059 conspiracy things like the the people 2791 02:16:02,669 --> 02:16:00,400 involved in this the actual programs are 2792 02:16:04,740 --> 02:16:02,679 very widely acknowledged by the people 2793 02:16:07,709 --> 02:16:04,750 that were involved in them it's public 2794 02:16:10,290 --> 02:16:07,719 knowledge now but and that's another 2795 02:16:12,540 --> 02:16:10,300 aspect of the time-travel thing is that 2796 02:16:14,010 --> 02:16:12,550 if you're instantly and this would kind 2797 02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:14,020 of go for extraterrestrial technology 2798 02:16:17,819 --> 02:16:16,090 too if it is more advanced than us and 2799 02:16:20,250 --> 02:16:17,829 it would have to be for them to even be 2800 02:16:23,370 --> 02:16:20,260 able to get here but if you instantly 2801 02:16:25,020 --> 02:16:23,380 come into the possession of technology 2802 02:16:29,399 --> 02:16:25,030 that's far more advanced than your own 2803 02:16:34,889 --> 02:16:29,409 that gives you a huge benefit in warfare 2804 02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:34,899 it gives you a huge benefit in national 2805 02:16:38,669 --> 02:16:36,790 security I mean the military industrial 2806 02:16:40,740 --> 02:16:38,679 complex it's a multi-billion dollar 2807 02:16:42,270 --> 02:16:40,750 industry like they must have been 2808 02:16:44,429 --> 02:16:42,280 thinking about the money they could make 2809 02:16:46,830 --> 02:16:44,439 from reverse engineering this and 2810 02:16:48,690 --> 02:16:46,840 selling it to all of these people across 2811 02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:48,700 the world as well and there was a lot 2812 02:16:55,290 --> 02:16:53,290 going on then on 4849 and yeah I mean 2813 02:16:58,049 --> 02:16:55,300 correlation doesn't equal cause allottee 2814 02:17:01,379 --> 02:16:58,059 but but there's a lot of evidence that 2815 02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:01,389 that that crash did happen in 1947 and 2816 02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:03,689 if they were gifted future technology 2817 02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:06,550 with our own technology we could 2818 02:17:11,310 --> 02:17:09,610 understand how these things would evolve 2819 02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:11,320 how they would be built on top of what 2820 02:17:16,889 --> 02:17:14,530 we have and then come to understand them 2821 02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:16,899 and a deeper compass' I'm sure the 2822 02:17:22,589 --> 02:17:18,250 people that have worked on that I'm sure 2823 02:17:25,169 --> 02:17:22,599 they understand that that that device is 2824 02:17:27,719 --> 02:17:25,179 capable of time travel I mean you can go 2825 02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:27,729 up on all those mountains around all the 2826 02:17:31,290 --> 02:17:29,410 parts of the desert and Nevada and Utah 2827 02:17:36,209 --> 02:17:31,300 and watch these things have been around 2828 02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:36,219 the sky but beyond those vector 2829 02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:39,760 trajectory inflate capabilities I'm sure 2830 02:17:46,110 --> 02:17:42,880 somebody understands that they are also 2831 02:17:48,750 --> 02:17:46,120 capable of time travel if if this 2832 02:17:51,150 --> 02:17:48,760 interpretation is correct do you think 2833 02:17:52,530 --> 02:17:51,160 that those time travelers died I don't 2834 02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:52,540 know if you've addressed this in the 2835 02:17:57,389 --> 02:17:54,880 book but do you think that they are in 2836 02:18:01,969 --> 02:17:57,399 contact with the military-industrial 2837 02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:01,979 complex in the Pentagon and Washington 2838 02:18:07,469 --> 02:18:04,719 yeah I mean I talked about that a little 2839 02:18:09,900 --> 02:18:07,479 bit again chapter 11 chapter 12 little a 2840 02:18:11,549 --> 02:18:09,910 little more speculative but because I 2841 02:18:14,940 --> 02:18:11,559 can't know I was never invited down 2842 02:18:17,759 --> 02:18:14,950 there I don't know what they have if 2843 02:18:20,850 --> 02:18:17,769 they have anything at all but but if 2844 02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:20,860 that happened there's you know that 2845 02:18:24,929 --> 02:18:23,290 autopsy a video which would be great to 2846 02:18:26,490 --> 02:18:24,939 talk about sometime too because a lot of 2847 02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:26,500 the book focuses on that and even though 2848 02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,550 it's a reproduction of what supposedly 2849 02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:32,080 was actually videotaped that time is 2850 02:18:37,759 --> 02:18:34,090 extremely revealing to the things that 2851 02:18:41,389 --> 02:18:37,769 they recreated in 2852 02:18:43,339 --> 02:18:41,399 being are very indicative of a future 2853 02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:43,349 human for a lot of reasons that I can't 2854 02:18:49,549 --> 02:18:46,800 get into right now but yeah if if there 2855 02:18:54,139 --> 02:18:49,559 were individuals that had died if there 2856 02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:54,149 are I guess according to some reports 2857 02:19:00,559 --> 02:18:57,090 one was still even alive badly injured I 2858 02:19:02,030 --> 02:19:00,569 don't know but it does kind of make you 2859 02:19:05,929 --> 02:19:02,040 wonder if there would have been some 2860 02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:05,939 sort of contact afterwards someone that 2861 02:19:12,769 --> 02:19:08,370 you know came to acknowledge what 2862 02:19:15,080 --> 02:19:12,779 happened or inform what had happened but 2863 02:19:17,179 --> 02:19:15,090 again I really have no way of knowing 2864 02:19:20,209 --> 02:19:17,189 personally it just kind of seems like 2865 02:19:22,429 --> 02:19:20,219 that's if I took a bunch of my 2866 02:19:26,690 --> 02:19:22,439 colleagues back and some of them died I 2867 02:19:29,870 --> 02:19:26,700 would probably try to make some sort of 2868 02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:29,880 connection I guess but I don't know 2869 02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:33,050 that's just personal speaking I guess if 2870 02:19:39,919 --> 02:19:37,200 if if you had a choice would you how far 2871 02:19:41,719 --> 02:19:39,929 in the future would you go there's a 2872 02:19:43,370 --> 02:19:41,729 reason why I'm asking would you go ten 2873 02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:43,380 thousand a hundred thousand years ago 2874 02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:45,120 well I feel like this is a trap all of a 2875 02:19:50,599 --> 02:19:49,439 sudden you're like yeah yeah um man 2876 02:19:54,130 --> 02:19:50,609 that's a tough one I haven't really 2877 02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:54,140 thought about it I would probably go a 2878 02:20:02,420 --> 02:20:00,319 million I would probably go about a 2879 02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,430 hundred thousand years in the future 2880 02:20:08,420 --> 02:20:04,560 yeah that's a good number I like that 2881 02:20:11,860 --> 02:20:08,430 number two and the reason is do you 2882 02:20:16,219 --> 02:20:11,870 think this is where I set you up yeah 2883 02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:16,229 that we would even have these bodies um 2884 02:20:22,809 --> 02:20:19,200 yeah I do I you know and that's a tough 2885 02:20:27,050 --> 02:20:22,819 thing about writing this book is that I 2886 02:20:29,420 --> 02:20:27,060 I know very well what changes have taken 2887 02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:29,430 place in our bodies and our 2888 02:20:34,450 --> 02:20:31,590 morphological form over time I wrote my 2889 02:20:37,969 --> 02:20:34,460 old dissertation about it many of my 2890 02:20:40,250 --> 02:20:37,979 publications have looked at this these 2891 02:20:43,450 --> 02:20:40,260 changes over time projecting those 2892 02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:43,460 forward however is is very different and 2893 02:20:48,170 --> 02:20:45,450 it was really hard for me in writing 2894 02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:48,180 this book because I I had a subtitle at 2895 02:20:54,380 --> 02:20:50,370 one point identified flying objects 2896 02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:54,390 who when and bigger letters why like why 2897 02:20:59,990 --> 02:20:57,210 would we do this when not where who are 2898 02:21:01,969 --> 02:21:00,000 these what I think are people in the 2899 02:21:06,440 --> 02:21:01,979 future but then I started thinking about 2900 02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:06,450 the when question and it's been an 2901 02:21:11,420 --> 02:21:09,330 accelerating change over time right 2902 02:21:13,310 --> 02:21:11,430 right our brains have gotten bigger 2903 02:21:16,219 --> 02:21:13,320 faster our faces have gotten smaller 2904 02:21:19,550 --> 02:21:16,229 faster and and and in fact our brains of 2905 02:21:21,770 --> 02:21:19,560 shrunk over the left yes they junk so so 2906 02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:21,780 you know over the long term yes our 2907 02:21:26,599 --> 02:21:24,450 skulls are chance more about shape than 2908 02:21:29,540 --> 02:21:26,609 about size really but then when I 2909 02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,550 started to think you know about saying 2910 02:21:33,770 --> 02:21:31,200 what will look like in ten thousand 2911 02:21:35,179 --> 02:21:33,780 years fifty thousand years a hundred 2912 02:21:37,340 --> 02:21:35,189 thousand which is actually why I said 2913 02:21:39,910 --> 02:21:37,350 honor thousand years is because I think 2914 02:21:43,010 --> 02:21:39,920 that's when we would really start to see 2915 02:21:45,440 --> 02:21:43,020 major differences and and it also plays 2916 02:21:48,370 --> 02:21:45,450 another question of what what time are 2917 02:21:51,020 --> 02:21:48,380 we coming back from you know when we see 2918 02:21:53,660 --> 02:21:51,030 individuals with these characteristics 2919 02:21:55,610 --> 02:21:53,670 is indicative of a hundred thousand five 2920 02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:55,620 hundred thousand a million years in the 2921 02:21:57,950 --> 02:21:56,010 future 2922 02:22:01,219 --> 02:21:57,960 and if we have the capability of 2923 02:22:03,469 --> 02:22:01,229 traveling through time we would also the 2924 02:22:06,110 --> 02:22:03,479 capability of possibly collaborating 2925 02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:06,120 with researchers from other times maybe 2926 02:22:10,849 --> 02:22:08,970 having people and and one UFO that 2927 02:22:12,200 --> 02:22:10,859 represents six different time periods 2928 02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:12,210 and they would all have different 2929 02:22:16,490 --> 02:22:14,399 morphological characteristics as a 2930 02:22:19,730 --> 02:22:16,500 result of that and it also comes back to 2931 02:22:21,380 --> 02:22:19,740 the question of of racism physiological 2932 02:22:24,020 --> 02:22:21,390 differences if those carry into the 2933 02:22:26,090 --> 02:22:24,030 future are we seen intra temporal 2934 02:22:28,940 --> 02:22:26,100 variation in their physical form are we 2935 02:22:30,770 --> 02:22:28,950 seeing intertemporal variation because 2936 02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:30,780 of collaboration across different time 2937 02:22:36,770 --> 02:22:33,840 periods and and I think I mean it's it's 2938 02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:36,780 hard to know for sure but I do think in 2939 02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:38,450 a hundred thousand years we would look 2940 02:22:43,940 --> 02:22:40,890 different than we do now you would be 2941 02:22:46,219 --> 02:22:43,950 the alien I would be the alien do you 2942 02:22:49,460 --> 02:22:46,229 think and that's you know that's not 2943 02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:49,470 that much of a reach do you think you 2944 02:22:56,859 --> 02:22:51,840 did that hundred thousand year travel 2945 02:23:02,050 --> 02:22:56,869 that you would even recognize humans 2946 02:23:04,420 --> 02:23:02,060 yeah definitely it's there's certain 2947 02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:04,430 physical traits what we call a unique 2948 02:23:11,260 --> 02:23:08,810 derived characteristics of hominins that 2949 02:23:15,010 --> 02:23:11,270 are very recognizable I mean I mean down 2950 02:23:16,899 --> 02:23:15,020 to the the cusps of the teeth I mean we 2951 02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:16,909 can identify a tooth because of the cusp 2952 02:23:20,559 --> 02:23:18,319 pattern and the root pattern of 2953 02:23:23,229 --> 02:23:20,569 something that's 5 million years old we 2954 02:23:26,500 --> 02:23:23,239 have a very deep knowledge of of the 2955 02:23:28,630 --> 02:23:26,510 morphological characteristics of of the 2956 02:23:32,439 --> 02:23:28,640 hominid lineage so seeing any of those 2957 02:23:34,510 --> 02:23:32,449 traits would would definitely indicate 2958 02:23:36,849 --> 02:23:34,520 that and like I said previously it's a 2959 02:23:39,479 --> 02:23:36,859 big part of the book is just talking 2960 02:23:42,609 --> 02:23:39,489 about how unique these are on our planet 2961 02:23:45,479 --> 02:23:42,619 how all of the different variables that 2962 02:23:49,030 --> 02:23:45,489 went into making us the way we are here 2963 02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:49,040 over the last 3.7 billion years of life 2964 02:23:53,500 --> 02:23:51,680 and 65 million years of mammalian 2965 02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:53,510 evolution and six million years of 2966 02:23:58,660 --> 02:23:55,850 hominid evolution for that to happen in 2967 02:24:00,519 --> 02:23:58,670 the exact same way on another planet 2968 02:24:02,319 --> 02:24:00,529 with different gravity a different 2969 02:24:04,990 --> 02:24:02,329 climate at different distance from its 2970 02:24:07,719 --> 02:24:05,000 Sun different chemical composition it's 2971 02:24:09,580 --> 02:24:07,729 it's extremely unlikely that that would 2972 02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:09,590 ever happen again somewhere else that we 2973 02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:11,449 would ever be visited by something that 2974 02:24:17,380 --> 02:24:14,210 was bipedal that had a big bald head 2975 02:24:20,500 --> 02:24:17,390 that had big eyes that had a tiny chin a 2976 02:24:23,469 --> 02:24:20,510 tiny mouth and and to me that's one of 2977 02:24:26,679 --> 02:24:23,479 the biggest indications that a 2978 02:24:29,290 --> 02:24:26,689 time-travel explanation is preferable to 2979 02:24:32,500 --> 02:24:29,300 a space travel explanation but what 2980 02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:32,510 about you know the the basic chemistry 2981 02:24:43,269 --> 02:24:37,250 of the universe amino acids and and 2982 02:24:47,950 --> 02:24:43,279 carbon wouldn't DNA just evolved the 2983 02:24:48,490 --> 02:24:47,960 same anyway anywhere that's that's a big 2984 02:24:53,139 --> 02:24:48,500 question 2985 02:24:55,389 --> 02:24:53,149 in astrobiology what would it I 2986 02:24:58,420 --> 02:24:55,399 it's the coding system of all life on 2987 02:25:01,530 --> 02:24:58,430 Earth which very much indicates common 2988 02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:01,540 ancestry we're all derived from the same 2989 02:25:08,410 --> 02:25:05,449 unicellular organisms 3.7 billion years 2990 02:25:09,519 --> 02:25:08,420 ago but would it happen on another 2991 02:25:11,800 --> 02:25:09,529 planet 2992 02:25:14,429 --> 02:25:11,810 would there be another nucleotide or 2993 02:25:18,300 --> 02:25:14,439 four extra nucleotides or something 2994 02:25:21,790 --> 02:25:18,310 completely dissimilar to two nucleotides 2995 02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:21,800 it's it's not something I think we can 2996 02:25:27,070 --> 02:25:23,600 know right now and if when we find life 2997 02:25:29,979 --> 02:25:27,080 on other planets which I really hope we 2998 02:25:31,719 --> 02:25:29,989 do and I'm very excited about we'll be 2999 02:25:37,420 --> 02:25:31,729 able to answer some of those questions I 3000 02:25:40,450 --> 02:25:37,430 think they're okay one basic question as 3001 02:25:44,019 --> 02:25:40,460 we wind this down it's probably the 3002 02:25:46,660 --> 02:25:44,029 biggest I I would love to have Richard 3003 02:25:48,370 --> 02:25:46,670 Dawkins on this show and I would love to 3004 02:25:50,620 --> 02:25:48,380 have him on for a bunch of different 3005 02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:50,630 reasons because I think that he's 3006 02:25:54,490 --> 02:25:52,880 fundamentally wrong and flawed on 3007 02:25:57,099 --> 02:25:54,500 everything that he has written and said 3008 02:26:00,700 --> 02:25:57,109 he's a very smart guy he's much smarter 3009 02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:00,710 than me but I just think he's wrong and 3010 02:26:13,690 --> 02:26:07,120 this is one one basic point I don't 3011 02:26:19,269 --> 02:26:13,700 understand how DNA in general was 3012 02:26:22,090 --> 02:26:19,279 created by chance by Nature I I don't 3013 02:26:23,950 --> 02:26:22,100 know what the odds are right I don't 3014 02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:23,960 know what that number is but it's got to 3015 02:26:32,830 --> 02:26:27,850 be a humongously large number that 3016 02:26:36,429 --> 02:26:32,840 somehow lightning struck some amino 3017 02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:36,439 acids on a crystal in a creek at one day 3018 02:26:45,460 --> 02:26:41,210 and the DNA just pops out yeah I don't 3019 02:26:48,820 --> 02:26:45,470 get that I don't see where evolution or 3020 02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:48,830 odds or nature comes into play unless 3021 02:26:54,729 --> 02:26:51,680 there is something I don't want to go 3022 02:26:55,389 --> 02:26:54,739 divine I don't want to go God but I 3023 02:27:00,340 --> 02:26:55,399 don't 3024 02:27:03,460 --> 02:27:00,350 want to go down that road either but I 3025 02:27:06,340 --> 02:27:03,470 don't have a real answer for because DNA 3026 02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:06,350 is beautiful it says it's 3027 02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:10,130 extraordinarily perfect mm-hmm and and 3028 02:27:13,690 --> 02:27:11,450 then the same way you talked about 3029 02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:13,700 earlier how there may have been you know 3030 02:27:20,050 --> 02:27:16,880 other civilizations that came and went 3031 02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:20,060 there may have been a lot of other forms 3032 02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:22,130 of life that just 3033 02:27:27,220 --> 02:27:25,130 did in work I mean that the the basic 3034 02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:27,230 aspect of life is that it can reproduce 3035 02:27:35,020 --> 02:27:30,650 itself and DNA is really great for that 3036 02:27:36,610 --> 02:27:35,030 you can split open a double helix and 3037 02:27:38,261 --> 02:27:36,620 you can have these free-floating 3038 02:27:40,810 --> 02:27:38,271 nucleotides come in and make the exact 3039 02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:40,820 same thing just another copy of it and 3040 02:27:45,640 --> 02:27:44,000 and that's the power of DNA there may 3041 02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:45,650 have been things before that didn't work 3042 02:27:52,961 --> 02:27:48,290 there's an interesting theory about 3043 02:27:54,341 --> 02:27:52,971 entropy in in the origins of life it's 3044 02:27:56,620 --> 02:27:54,351 something that that astrobiologists 3045 02:27:58,390 --> 02:27:56,630 focus on a lot and there's a lot of 3046 02:28:01,900 --> 02:27:58,400 really interesting research coming out 3047 02:28:04,511 --> 02:28:01,910 about that about what what is it about 3048 02:28:07,900 --> 02:28:04,521 DNA what is it a given on all planets 3049 02:28:09,310 --> 02:28:07,910 will it always happen and then yeah like 3050 02:28:11,711 --> 02:28:09,320 you said you know there's there's a lot 3051 02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:11,721 of people believe that there's some 3052 02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:13,730 divine intervention or some other 3053 02:28:18,850 --> 02:28:15,920 intervention and and like I said at the 3054 02:28:21,341 --> 02:28:18,860 start of the night you know it doesn't 3055 02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:21,351 have to be black or white it doesn't 3056 02:28:24,671 --> 02:28:23,210 have to be one way or the other that 3057 02:28:27,881 --> 02:28:24,681 doesn't have to be fighting you can 3058 02:28:30,430 --> 02:28:27,891 understand all aspects of evolution and 3059 02:28:33,100 --> 02:28:30,440 how it works in the process of evolution 3060 02:28:36,341 --> 02:28:33,110 and still understand that in the context 3061 02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:36,351 of Genesis and the Christian belief 3062 02:28:40,990 --> 02:28:38,210 system and the Judeo belief system and 3063 02:28:43,211 --> 02:28:41,000 all of these other beliefs about how 3064 02:28:44,320 --> 02:28:43,221 life started and who's responsible for 3065 02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:44,330 it they don't have to be mutually 3066 02:28:50,711 --> 02:28:46,250 exclusive and in any way whatsoever 3067 02:28:57,761 --> 02:28:50,721 which way do you lean and in respect to 3068 02:29:04,211 --> 02:28:57,771 what in creation on and on DNA I need 3069 02:29:08,770 --> 02:29:04,221 answers I was I was raised as a very in 3070 02:29:13,631 --> 02:29:08,780 a very standard judeo-christian sort of 3071 02:29:16,631 --> 02:29:13,641 background I I think there's some things 3072 02:29:19,350 --> 02:29:16,641 we can't know there's obviously a lot of 3073 02:29:21,610 --> 02:29:19,360 interpretations there's a lot of beliefs 3074 02:29:24,791 --> 02:29:21,620 that it's important to differentiate 3075 02:29:27,041 --> 02:29:24,801 between belief and science but that 3076 02:29:29,381 --> 02:29:27,051 doesn't mean that you can't understand 3077 02:29:30,850 --> 02:29:29,391 the science in the context of your 3078 02:29:33,210 --> 02:29:30,860 beliefs there doesn't have to be a 3079 02:29:38,939 --> 02:29:33,220 divide there me personally 3080 02:29:41,219 --> 02:29:38,949 I understand the judeo-christian origins 3081 02:29:43,160 --> 02:29:41,229 the the book of Genesis very well 3082 02:29:45,210 --> 02:29:43,170 because I was raised with that 3083 02:29:47,580 --> 02:29:45,220 interpretation I also understand the 3084 02:29:50,340 --> 02:29:47,590 process of evolutionary change very well 3085 02:29:53,250 --> 02:29:50,350 because I I studied it as part of my PhD 3086 02:29:56,670 --> 02:29:53,260 and I still use it in everyday work 3087 02:30:02,880 --> 02:29:56,680 today and I guess to answer your 3088 02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:02,890 question i I see room for some sort of 3089 02:30:11,550 --> 02:30:08,770 understanding higher power within that I 3090 02:30:15,630 --> 02:30:11,560 don't I don't necessarily go to church 3091 02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:15,640 but I also don't I don't dismiss the 3092 02:30:21,389 --> 02:30:18,489 idea and honestly if you look at at the 3093 02:30:23,250 --> 02:30:21,399 book of Genesis book of Peter as well 3094 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:23,260 the way it's described it's very much 3095 02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:25,210 the way that we understand the origins 3096 02:30:31,740 --> 02:30:29,290 of the solar system and the or the 3097 02:30:33,870 --> 02:30:31,750 evolution of life it's just it's written 3098 02:30:35,969 --> 02:30:33,880 and again it comes down to time and in 3099 02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:35,979 the book of Genesis it was seven days as 3100 02:30:41,790 --> 02:30:39,130 we understand it it was 4.5 billion for 3101 02:30:44,460 --> 02:30:41,800 the earth and 14 point 7 billion for the 3102 02:30:45,960 --> 02:30:44,470 universe so it's they're not necessarily 3103 02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:45,970 in conflict with one another they're 3104 02:30:52,290 --> 02:30:49,930 just you know different ways of of 3105 02:30:56,670 --> 02:30:52,300 understanding and then believing as well 3106 02:31:00,139 --> 02:30:56,680 well I had a I had a friend we were in 3107 02:31:02,450 --> 02:31:00,149 New York City and we had like a six-hour 3108 02:31:04,620 --> 02:31:02,460 one of those famous six-hour 3109 02:31:06,689 --> 02:31:04,630 conversations in the restaurant till 3110 02:31:10,649 --> 02:31:06,699 four o'clock in the morning yeah those 3111 02:31:12,809 --> 02:31:10,659 are fun yes and he the great guy totally 3112 02:31:17,490 --> 02:31:12,819 cool he's a friend of mine to this day 3113 02:31:20,729 --> 02:31:17,500 but Christian I mean I mean Christian 3114 02:31:23,309 --> 02:31:20,739 and he said to me looked at me right in 3115 02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:23,319 my eyeballs and said I said well what 3116 02:31:29,010 --> 02:31:25,810 about dinosaur bones and he said man you 3117 02:31:31,950 --> 02:31:29,020 know God put those there to test our 3118 02:31:34,559 --> 02:31:31,960 faith the devil put them right what I 3119 02:31:38,580 --> 02:31:34,569 was told girl put them there to test us 3120 02:31:40,530 --> 02:31:38,590 yeah test us and now now here you are in 3121 02:31:42,389 --> 02:31:40,540 the South of France with a hundred and 3122 02:31:46,229 --> 02:31:42,399 seventy-five thousand year old 3123 02:31:47,070 --> 02:31:46,239 Neanderthal that's in a direct conflict 3124 02:31:50,310 --> 02:31:47,080 of everything 3125 02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:50,320 no it's not though I mean it's just a 3126 02:31:59,970 --> 02:31:54,250 again an issue of time I mean the the 3127 02:32:02,040 --> 02:31:59,980 Adam and Eve story you know it they're 3128 02:32:05,301 --> 02:32:02,050 they're in it's a belief system it's an 3129 02:32:09,360 --> 02:32:05,311 idea about a way of understanding 3130 02:32:11,790 --> 02:32:09,370 creation but there's there's a way that 3131 02:32:14,670 --> 02:32:11,800 it happened it was a slower process that 3132 02:32:16,740 --> 02:32:14,680 involved a very a lot a lot of 3133 02:32:18,511 --> 02:32:16,750 incremental change over time one thing 3134 02:32:21,030 --> 02:32:18,521 changing into another thing that changed 3135 02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:21,040 into another thing but but inevitably it 3136 02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:23,170 resulted in us the result of an 3137 02:32:28,110 --> 02:32:25,090 anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens 3138 02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:28,120 so if if somebody wants to pick one 3139 02:32:32,280 --> 02:32:29,680 point and say well that's when we 3140 02:32:33,990 --> 02:32:32,290 started and it started with two people 3141 02:32:35,761 --> 02:32:34,000 and there's obviously some logistical 3142 02:32:38,250 --> 02:32:35,771 issues with that incest and whatnot but 3143 02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:38,260 but if you want to pick that point and 3144 02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:39,730 say that's when it started 3145 02:32:46,290 --> 02:32:41,920 in the context of the whole book of 3146 02:32:48,480 --> 02:32:46,300 Genesis it's still it's still a part of 3147 02:32:50,460 --> 02:32:48,490 how we understand the science behind the 3148 02:32:52,170 --> 02:32:50,470 evolution of the universe and earth and 3149 02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:52,180 life they don't they don't have to be 3150 02:32:57,840 --> 02:32:55,090 mutually exclusive ad I think a lot of 3151 02:33:00,390 --> 02:32:57,850 it comes from people like that who say 3152 02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:00,400 well it's the devil that did this and 3153 02:33:06,180 --> 02:33:03,280 that's it you know that's it yeah 3154 02:33:07,830 --> 02:33:06,190 completely black or white yeah there's 3155 02:33:09,960 --> 02:33:07,840 no room for discussion here that's it 3156 02:33:11,340 --> 02:33:09,970 and I teach evolution that's my job I've 3157 02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:11,350 been doing it for years I've done it 3158 02:33:16,761 --> 02:33:12,970 community colleges I taught at a 3159 02:33:19,530 --> 02:33:16,771 Catholic school just outside of Columbus 3160 02:33:21,630 --> 02:33:19,540 Dominican Ultem in akin or something 3161 02:33:24,030 --> 02:33:21,640 like that you taught evolution at a 3162 02:33:28,051 --> 02:33:24,040 Catholic school I did I did 3163 02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:28,061 they hired me to teach sociology and I 3164 02:33:31,261 --> 02:33:29,920 said alright well that's that should be 3165 02:33:34,470 --> 02:33:31,271 easy and then they wanted me to teach 3166 02:33:35,970 --> 02:33:34,480 anthropology and I told him I was like 3167 02:33:38,250 --> 02:33:35,980 well there's no way to do this with only 3168 02:33:40,980 --> 02:33:38,260 evolution I mean that's sort of the 3169 02:33:45,420 --> 02:33:40,990 basis of all biological life and they 3170 02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:45,430 said yeah no problem but honestly most 3171 02:33:51,360 --> 02:33:48,730 of the problem most of the conflict I 3172 02:33:53,610 --> 02:33:51,370 guess I should say came from people who 3173 02:33:56,820 --> 02:33:53,620 just really didn't want to hear it 3174 02:33:59,310 --> 02:33:56,830 even though I'm very open to all views 3175 02:34:00,900 --> 02:33:59,320 even though I understand their belief 3176 02:34:03,750 --> 02:34:00,910 because I was raised and 3177 02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:03,760 very very very conservative Christian 3178 02:34:10,230 --> 02:34:07,210 household I understand it I and I I 3179 02:34:13,650 --> 02:34:10,240 think that helps me talk to them better 3180 02:34:15,870 --> 02:34:13,660 because I can I can talk to them in a 3181 02:34:17,700 --> 02:34:15,880 way where where it's it's it's a 3182 02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:17,710 collaborative mutual understanding but 3183 02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:19,450 the problem comes when people just don't 3184 02:34:25,020 --> 02:34:22,210 want to hear it they just don't want to 3185 02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:25,030 know because they think it interferes 3186 02:34:31,350 --> 02:34:28,090 with their belief system okay one last 3187 02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:31,360 question and I know you're busy but I've 3188 02:34:38,220 --> 02:34:33,370 just got to take advantage of this 3189 02:34:40,500 --> 02:34:38,230 opportunity here is this when we are 3190 02:34:42,990 --> 02:34:40,510 talking about you mentioned the 3191 02:34:49,610 --> 02:34:43,000 multiverse let's let's stay in the Milky 3192 02:34:57,150 --> 02:34:54,000 our own area around us where we didn't 3193 02:35:00,930 --> 02:34:57,160 understand how big it was and how much 3194 02:35:03,180 --> 02:35:00,940 was there even 30 years ago let alone a 3195 02:35:05,400 --> 02:35:03,190 hundred but now we have the Hubble 3196 02:35:07,710 --> 02:35:05,410 telescope we're able to see you know 3197 02:35:12,660 --> 02:35:07,720 what we're stars are now we thought were 3198 02:35:15,420 --> 02:35:12,670 stars are actually galaxies and and it's 3199 02:35:17,100 --> 02:35:15,430 much bigger than we thought now we have 3200 02:35:19,350 --> 02:35:17,110 a situation here in our own Milky Way 3201 02:35:22,620 --> 02:35:19,360 what we're dealing with somewhere 3202 02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:22,630 between 500 and a trillion stars we now 3203 02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:25,690 know about the amount of exoplanets from 3204 02:35:30,690 --> 02:35:27,610 the data that we have collected in the 3205 02:35:34,881 --> 02:35:30,700 last ten years where we are looking at 3206 02:35:39,020 --> 02:35:34,891 somewhere between 20 and 40 billion 3207 02:35:42,091 --> 02:35:39,030 rocky planets in our own Milky Way 3208 02:35:48,091 --> 02:35:42,101 potentially potentially these are 3209 02:35:52,430 --> 02:35:48,101 ginormous ridiculous numbers so now with 3210 02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:52,440 with your peers the conversations that 3211 02:35:58,830 --> 02:35:55,330 Carl Sagan had and the Drake Equation 3212 02:36:02,040 --> 02:35:58,840 and and and other than are completely 3213 02:36:04,110 --> 02:36:02,050 out the window now with your peers the 3214 02:36:08,040 --> 02:36:04,120 conversation of are we alone in the 3215 02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:08,050 universe what do you what is is that 99 3216 02:36:12,690 --> 02:36:11,170 percent now where your peers are gonna 3217 02:36:14,349 --> 02:36:12,700 say of course there's life out there 3218 02:36:17,139 --> 02:36:14,359 it's not a 3219 02:36:19,569 --> 02:36:17,149 little bit there's lots and lots of it I 3220 02:36:23,380 --> 02:36:19,579 mean how does that conversation go today 3221 02:36:25,269 --> 02:36:23,390 yeah there's there's definitely life on 3222 02:36:30,179 --> 02:36:25,279 other planets the the fact that it 3223 02:36:34,239 --> 02:36:30,189 happened here so soon after Earth became 3224 02:36:36,790 --> 02:36:34,249 conducive to life indicates that it's it 3225 02:36:38,050 --> 02:36:36,800 probably happened other places to how it 3226 02:36:40,840 --> 02:36:38,060 actually happened you know that 3227 02:36:44,500 --> 02:36:40,850 lightning strike in a pond of sludge or 3228 02:36:48,099 --> 02:36:44,510 whatever that's still kind of a sticky 3229 02:36:49,449 --> 02:36:48,109 wicket but in general there yeah I don't 3230 02:36:51,639 --> 02:36:49,459 think there's any doubt that there's 3231 02:36:56,069 --> 02:36:51,649 life on other planets the focus of this 3232 02:37:01,389 --> 02:36:56,079 book is could life on other planets 3233 02:37:05,019 --> 02:37:01,399 evolve to look like us could we ever 3234 02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:05,029 find them in the vastness of even our 3235 02:37:10,569 --> 02:37:06,770 own universe let alone other universe 3236 02:37:13,179 --> 02:37:10,579 the distance between them more or less 3237 02:37:15,880 --> 02:37:13,189 prohibits any sort of travel between and 3238 02:37:17,469 --> 02:37:15,890 a big part of that comes down to time 3239 02:37:19,330 --> 02:37:17,479 dilation what we talked about earlier 3240 02:37:21,819 --> 02:37:19,340 with Einstein's theory of special 3241 02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:21,829 relativity just traveling at a rate of 3242 02:37:26,529 --> 02:37:24,050 speed that's necessary to get you to 3243 02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:26,539 another planet another solar system even 3244 02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:28,489 you know alpha century one of the 3245 02:37:33,159 --> 02:37:31,010 closest ones to us is going to have a 3246 02:37:35,199 --> 02:37:33,169 massive effect on the passage of time to 3247 02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,209 worry when you come home even though 3248 02:37:39,849 --> 02:37:37,520 maybe 20 years passed to you something 3249 02:37:42,790 --> 02:37:39,859 like a thousand years passed on earth 3250 02:37:44,529 --> 02:37:42,800 now everybody that you knew is dead the 3251 02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:44,539 communication the time it would take for 3252 02:37:49,300 --> 02:37:47,359 communication between these planets on 3253 02:37:53,019 --> 02:37:49,310 different solar systems just there's a 3254 02:37:55,809 --> 02:37:53,029 lot of improbability associated with the 3255 02:37:58,239 --> 02:37:55,819 idea that that life even though it 3256 02:38:00,189 --> 02:37:58,249 certainly exists somewhere that it would 3257 02:38:02,380 --> 02:38:00,199 ever evolve to look like us that we 3258 02:38:03,969 --> 02:38:02,390 would ever find it that we would ever be 3259 02:38:07,989 --> 02:38:03,979 able to travel there they would be able 3260 02:38:10,420 --> 02:38:07,999 to travel here in the context of the UFO 3261 02:38:12,460 --> 02:38:10,430 phenomenon I think it's incredibly 3262 02:38:16,599 --> 02:38:12,470 improbable that they're from a different 3263 02:38:18,939 --> 02:38:16,609 planet even anywhere close to our own 3264 02:38:22,300 --> 02:38:18,949 solar system thank you so much Michael 3265 02:38:24,760 --> 02:38:22,310 fascinating conversation and after the 3266 02:38:26,529 --> 02:38:24,770 book is released we'll get you back we 3267 02:38:27,999 --> 02:38:26,539 left so much stuff 3268 02:38:29,379 --> 02:38:28,009 out there that we didn't have the time 3269 02:38:31,599 --> 02:38:29,389 to get into tonight and we'll do it 3270 02:38:35,109 --> 02:38:31,609 again thank you so much are you teaching 3271 02:38:37,899 --> 02:38:35,119 tomorrow I teach online classes in the 3272 02:38:40,029 --> 02:38:37,909 summer we'll get back to it in about a 3273 02:38:41,499 --> 02:38:40,039 month as far as the in-class classes but 3274 02:38:43,899 --> 02:38:41,509 thank you so much for having me it's 3275 02:38:45,519 --> 02:38:43,909 been a really really great conversation 3276 02:38:50,409 --> 02:38:45,529 I've enjoyed talking to you yeah thank 3277 02:38:52,089 --> 02:38:50,419 you so much and behave okay yeah you're 3278 02:38:54,549 --> 02:38:52,099 out there you're ruffling those feathers 3279 02:38:57,489 --> 02:38:54,559 and and I commend you for that we need 3280 02:39:01,059 --> 02:38:57,499 more of this in in the professional 3281 02:39:03,189 --> 02:39:01,069 world too to go and take chances and ask 3282 02:39:05,559 --> 02:39:03,199 questions and I just don't think that 3283 02:39:07,449 --> 02:39:05,569 there's any of not enough of it I don't 3284 02:39:09,459 --> 02:39:07,459 think there's any of it out there so 3285 02:39:10,959 --> 02:39:09,469 thank you for doing that thank you for 3286 02:39:13,539 --> 02:39:10,969 having me I appreciate it a great 3287 02:39:16,569 --> 02:39:13,549 conversation Michael P masters now his 3288 02:39:18,639 --> 02:39:16,579 website is right there at Jimmy Church 3289 02:39:25,649 --> 02:39:18,649 radio.com you need to go and check it 3290 02:39:27,489 --> 02:39:25,659 out it's ID fly object ok ID FL why obj 3291 02:39:30,339 --> 02:39:27,499 dot-com the links are right there you 3292 02:39:33,099 --> 02:39:30,349 can go read about the book and order it 3293 02:39:34,569 --> 02:39:33,109 get it when it comes out it's fade to 3294 02:39:36,500 --> 02:39:34,579 black I'll open up the phone lines when 3295 02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:36,510 I come back 3296 02:40:01,229 --> 02:39:58,560 [Music] 3297 02:40:06,300 --> 02:40:01,239 my boy Jimmy Church 3298 02:40:09,779 --> 02:40:06,310 Jimmy Church radio.com despite popular 3299 02:40:20,929 --> 02:40:09,789 opinion reading a book will not make you 3300 02:40:23,550 --> 02:40:20,939 smarter hurricanes earthquakes wildfires 3301 02:40:26,130 --> 02:40:23,560 this year we've experienced more than 3302 02:40:28,380 --> 02:40:26,140 our fair share this is Jimmy Church of 3303 02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:28,390 fade to black and last month I decided 3304 02:40:33,029 --> 02:40:30,640 to make sure my family does not have to 3305 02:40:36,210 --> 02:40:33,039 worry about food should we get caught in 3306 02:40:36,779 --> 02:40:36,220 a real emergency situation introducing 3307 02:40:38,880 --> 02:40:36,789 Humana 3308 02:40:41,010 --> 02:40:38,890 a healthy storable product that tastes 3309 02:40:42,809 --> 02:40:41,020 so good that you'll want to eat it every 3310 02:40:45,269 --> 02:40:42,819 day instead of just 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or 15 years but you can start 3352 02:42:39,880 --> 02:42:36,739 feeling and looking 10 or 15 years 3353 02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:39,890 younger with nature's youth RSF it's a 3354 02:42:43,599 --> 02:42:41,930 doctor formulated daily supplement that 3355 02:42:45,300 --> 02:42:43,609 helps your body maintain its peak 3356 02:42:47,950 --> 02:42:45,310 performance and fight the aging process 3357 02:42:49,450 --> 02:42:47,960 imagine sleeping better looking better 3358 02:42:51,910 --> 02:42:49,460 and feeling better 3359 02:42:53,859 --> 02:42:51,920 see how Nature's youth RSF has helped 3360 02:42:56,559 --> 02:42:53,869 thousands of people just like you at 3361 02:42:58,990 --> 02:42:56,569 nature's youth calm nature's youth calm 3362 02:43:00,429 --> 02:42:59,000 the holidays are coming imagine how it 3363 02:43:02,349 --> 02:43:00,439 will feel when your family and friends 3364 02:43:04,689 --> 02:43:02,359 are asking you what you did to look so 3365 02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:04,699 good your secret will be nature's youth 3366 02:43:09,460 --> 02:43:07,010 RSS it's time to start looking better 3367 02:43:11,559 --> 02:43:09,470 and feeling better learn more in order 3368 02:43:21,830 --> 02:43:11,569 your nature's use RSS at nature's youth 3369 02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:25,559 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3370 02:43:37,620 --> 02:43:26,890 born this way 3371 02:43:41,140 --> 02:43:37,630 KCRA radio.com this is kjc our Jim 3372 02:43:41,150 --> 02:43:52,840 [Music] 3373 02:44:00,160 --> 02:43:57,250 well there you go 3374 02:44:06,020 --> 02:44:00,170 that was amazing 3375 02:44:08,270 --> 02:44:06,030 Michael P masters now more fo time is 3376 02:44:09,350 --> 02:44:08,280 right there on Twitter so you can follow 3377 02:44:15,260 --> 02:44:09,360 him there 3378 02:44:17,810 --> 02:44:15,270 the website is IDF ly o bj comm right 3379 02:44:19,280 --> 02:44:17,820 identify flying objects it's a it's 3380 02:44:23,420 --> 02:44:19,290 right there the link sorry to me Church 3381 02:44:25,070 --> 02:44:23,430 radio calm and now I've opened up the 3382 02:44:29,800 --> 02:44:25,080 phone line so I'll get to the calls here 3383 02:44:33,500 --> 02:44:29,810 in just a second but before I do the 3384 02:44:36,410 --> 02:44:33,510 most interesting thing out lots of it 3385 02:44:40,910 --> 02:44:36,420 tonight I get that but pretty 3386 02:44:49,430 --> 02:44:40,920 interesting idea that is laid out here 3387 02:44:54,850 --> 02:44:49,440 which is that the abductions contact 3388 02:44:59,530 --> 02:44:54,860 cattle mutilations experiments testing 3389 02:45:03,970 --> 02:44:59,540 all of these things are indicative of 3390 02:45:07,580 --> 02:45:03,980 something that we would need to do with 3391 02:45:13,010 --> 02:45:07,590 ourselves and we wouldn't travel the 3392 02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:13,020 universe to do that that that makes you 3393 02:45:20,270 --> 02:45:15,930 just stop and think right there it does 3394 02:45:22,850 --> 02:45:20,280 doesn't it think about that now we I can 3395 02:45:25,940 --> 02:45:22,860 go back to what Peniston had said and in 3396 02:45:30,410 --> 02:45:25,950 other aspects but if you go off of that 3397 02:45:33,980 --> 02:45:30,420 and think about one other thing and I 3398 02:45:37,880 --> 02:45:33,990 want to say I want to give credit to 3399 02:45:39,800 --> 02:45:37,890 Nick Redfern years ago said this at a 3400 02:45:42,200 --> 02:45:39,810 conference he was on a panel I was 3401 02:45:45,140 --> 02:45:42,210 hosting and he said one thing that that 3402 02:45:48,820 --> 02:45:45,150 I just it never escaped me 3403 02:45:50,960 --> 02:45:48,830 which is that these crafts are too small 3404 02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:50,970 you know you're not gonna travel the 3405 02:45:54,860 --> 02:45:52,800 universe in those that they probably 3406 02:45:58,460 --> 02:45:54,870 come from right here in our own solar 3407 02:46:01,340 --> 02:45:58,470 system you know they're they don't have 3408 02:46:03,560 --> 02:46:01,350 the size the fuel that you know you know 3409 02:46:06,171 --> 02:46:03,570 multiple hundreds or thousands of people 3410 02:46:08,180 --> 02:46:06,181 you know that these are small craft 3411 02:46:10,281 --> 02:46:08,190 that they probably are parked somewhere 3412 02:46:14,091 --> 02:46:10,291 here in our solar system well if you 3413 02:46:17,720 --> 02:46:14,101 take that idea and you apply it to what 3414 02:46:21,111 --> 02:46:17,730 dr. masters had said today well yeah 3415 02:46:25,011 --> 02:46:21,121 maybe these crafts are some of them most 3416 02:46:29,661 --> 02:46:25,021 of them are just us they're already here 3417 02:46:32,541 --> 02:46:29,671 that is interesting and then when you 3418 02:46:35,261 --> 02:46:32,551 put the other aspect into it which is 3419 02:46:40,611 --> 02:46:35,271 what he you know he's an anthropologist 3420 02:46:46,220 --> 02:46:40,621 right so when you look at that side of 3421 02:46:51,321 --> 02:46:46,230 it that you know upright eyes ears nose 3422 02:46:53,361 --> 02:46:51,331 mouth hands feet walking you know and 3423 02:46:55,581 --> 02:46:53,371 from the future we would have evolved 3424 02:46:58,911 --> 02:46:55,591 into something else maybe multiple and 3425 02:47:02,301 --> 02:46:58,921 he brought up one other point that is a 3426 02:47:05,480 --> 02:47:02,311 fascinating one that maybe there are 3427 02:47:07,161 --> 02:47:05,490 different elements of time that are here 3428 02:47:08,841 --> 02:47:07,171 we're looking at different stages of 3429 02:47:12,381 --> 02:47:08,851 evolution from the future 3430 02:47:16,071 --> 02:47:12,391 where we think it's multiple races and 3431 02:47:17,751 --> 02:47:16,081 species from off-planet because they're 3432 02:47:21,321 --> 02:47:17,761 from different points in time in the 3433 02:47:23,810 --> 02:47:21,331 future coming back here and which caused 3434 02:47:26,451 --> 02:47:23,820 me to ask the question if we went into 3435 02:47:28,011 --> 02:47:26,461 the future if he did or fight it and we 3436 02:47:33,651 --> 02:47:28,021 went a hundred thousand years into the 3437 02:47:35,421 --> 02:47:33,661 future were the aliens we're the et yeah 3438 02:47:37,581 --> 02:47:35,431 fascinating conversation let me grab 3439 02:47:42,291 --> 02:47:37,591 some of these phone calls let's go to 3440 02:47:45,711 --> 02:47:42,301 area code 408 first hi Jimmy escaped 3441 02:47:47,871 --> 02:47:45,721 from Sacramento hi Deb how are you good 3442 02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:47,881 how are you doing today whoa you tell me 3443 02:47:55,251 --> 02:47:51,530 I was amazed yeah kind of mind-blowing 3444 02:47:57,591 --> 02:47:55,261 I'm okay with the idea that it's us in 3445 02:48:00,831 --> 02:47:57,601 the future coming back to tweak us and 3446 02:48:02,930 --> 02:48:00,841 help us evolve the only thing that I 3447 02:48:04,881 --> 02:48:02,940 kind of couldn't resonate with is I 3448 02:48:07,611 --> 02:48:04,891 understand why his website got all that 3449 02:48:10,161 --> 02:48:07,621 traffic with the comments about possibly 3450 02:48:12,831 --> 02:48:10,171 not having free will and here's where I 3451 02:48:14,690 --> 02:48:12,841 have the problem you know you can always 3452 02:48:16,730 --> 02:48:14,700 go back to the religious thing and God 3453 02:48:18,861 --> 02:48:16,740 created us and in the Bible says he gave 3454 02:48:20,010 --> 02:48:18,871 man free well okay if you throw that 3455 02:48:22,199 --> 02:48:20,020 whole thing out and you 3456 02:48:24,599 --> 02:48:22,209 go to the spiritual side which our 3457 02:48:26,760 --> 02:48:24,609 community I would say most of it 3458 02:48:29,609 --> 02:48:26,770 believes in evolving ourselves 3459 02:48:31,979 --> 02:48:29,619 spiritually to a next level so that we 3460 02:48:33,869 --> 02:48:31,989 can join space and we can join all of 3461 02:48:35,729 --> 02:48:33,879 these other beings and other planets and 3462 02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:35,739 everything and we did talk about that a 3463 02:48:41,460 --> 02:48:38,770 lot well how can we evolve if we're just 3464 02:48:44,340 --> 02:48:41,470 along for the ride and we have no free 3465 02:48:46,769 --> 02:48:44,350 will then why why are we this big 3466 02:48:49,349 --> 02:48:46,779 experiment why are we even bothering and 3467 02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:49,359 why do we even reincarnate to try to 3468 02:48:53,729 --> 02:48:51,850 develop and get it right if there's no 3469 02:48:56,609 --> 02:48:53,739 free will right that's where I have a 3470 02:49:02,969 --> 02:48:56,619 little yeah that's a big conundrum there 3471 02:49:07,109 --> 02:49:02,979 well it is it is and then there's this 3472 02:49:12,679 --> 02:49:07,119 this is where it sounds harsh okay it 3473 02:49:20,609 --> 02:49:12,689 does but what if you accepted the idea 3474 02:49:25,229 --> 02:49:20,619 of freewill is real right but it's an 3475 02:49:28,859 --> 02:49:25,239 illusion in that free will is just part 3476 02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:28,869 of the math equation that's all you know 3477 02:49:34,769 --> 02:49:31,600 so wrap your head around that for a 3478 02:49:37,170 --> 02:49:34,779 second in that the spirituality aspect 3479 02:49:40,289 --> 02:49:37,180 and the evolution of getting to that 3480 02:49:42,179 --> 02:49:40,299 point and contact with other light 3481 02:49:47,340 --> 02:49:42,189 beings and interdimensional and 3482 02:49:50,279 --> 02:49:47,350 space-drive and it seems like the 3483 02:49:52,499 --> 02:49:50,289 illusion is that that was a big road 3484 02:49:55,619 --> 02:49:52,509 traveled of freewill to get to that 3485 02:49:57,389 --> 02:49:55,629 point but that it was math anyway and we 3486 02:49:59,880 --> 02:49:57,399 were going to get there and whatever 3487 02:50:02,279 --> 02:49:59,890 happens to the earth in in a million 3488 02:50:04,819 --> 02:50:02,289 years where we think we've made 3489 02:50:07,889 --> 02:50:04,829 corrections in the environment and we've 3490 02:50:11,639 --> 02:50:07,899 evolved spiritually but it was just all 3491 02:50:15,149 --> 02:50:11,649 the math playing it out anyway you know 3492 02:50:18,869 --> 02:50:15,159 and so the freewill part there is great 3493 02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:18,879 and you want to think that you have 3494 02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:20,409 freewill and go and make all those 3495 02:50:25,559 --> 02:50:22,329 decisions that you want to do for 3496 02:50:27,539 --> 02:50:25,569 yourself and grow spiritually but it was 3497 02:50:30,510 --> 02:50:27,549 math playing it out the whole time I 3498 02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:30,520 know I know it it's harsh to look at it 3499 02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:33,369 that way it is yeah but it's hard to 3500 02:50:38,330 --> 02:50:34,000 wrap your my 3501 02:50:41,480 --> 02:50:38,340 - you know there you go well when you 3502 02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:41,490 when you listen listen to some of these 3503 02:50:48,030 --> 02:50:43,810 physicists and theoretical physicists 3504 02:50:50,250 --> 02:50:48,040 where they discuss this that the way 3505 02:50:52,500 --> 02:50:50,260 that we got here now and that goes all 3506 02:50:54,150 --> 02:50:52,510 the way back with religion and the 3507 02:50:56,280 --> 02:50:54,160 things that happened three four or five 3508 02:50:59,220 --> 02:50:56,290 thousand years ago and and how we 3509 02:51:02,720 --> 02:50:59,230 evolved here to be the beings that we 3510 02:51:06,660 --> 02:51:02,730 are today it's just the way it's it's 3511 02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:06,670 chemicals it's math it's just the way 3512 02:51:10,590 --> 02:51:08,890 that it is it's gravity it's the 3513 02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:10,600 expansion of the universe it's 3514 02:51:16,920 --> 02:51:14,010 everything it's it's it was inevitable 3515 02:51:20,250 --> 02:51:16,930 that's all it's just math and you can't 3516 02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:20,260 change it you know free will seems like 3517 02:51:28,590 --> 02:51:24,370 it's it's it's there but the future is 3518 02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:28,600 is is is planned it's a mathematical 3519 02:51:35,690 --> 02:51:30,730 equation that's gonna put Tony Robbins 3520 02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:42,630 yes great task to let you go cuz I want 3521 02:51:46,530 --> 02:51:43,930 you to be able to grab another column 3522 02:51:48,900 --> 02:51:46,540 Jim yeah before we run out of time to 3523 02:51:52,560 --> 02:51:48,910 think about you understand what I'm 3524 02:51:57,090 --> 02:51:52,570 saying you know yeah yeah it's it's hard 3525 02:51:59,850 --> 02:51:57,100 for me to accept as well okay it just is 3526 02:52:02,430 --> 02:51:59,860 but I listen to everybody and I just try 3527 02:52:05,750 --> 02:52:02,440 to figure out the the big questions like 3528 02:52:08,100 --> 02:52:05,760 everybody else and and when you look I'm 3529 02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:08,110 when you go and listen to somebody like 3530 02:52:13,350 --> 02:52:09,970 I brought him up today Leonard Susskind 3531 02:52:15,510 --> 02:52:13,360 to listen to Leonard you know and he's a 3532 02:52:18,840 --> 02:52:15,520 bright guy and he's got the most open 3533 02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,850 mind of just about anybody you can 3534 02:52:24,930 --> 02:52:20,800 imagine and just go and listen it and 3535 02:52:26,880 --> 02:52:24,940 you know it's it's it's tough it's tough 3536 02:52:27,450 --> 02:52:26,890 thank you so much Deb we'll see you 3537 02:52:29,520 --> 02:52:27,460 tomorrow night 3538 02:52:31,620 --> 02:52:29,530 Thank You Jimmy absolutely take care 3539 02:52:32,400 --> 02:52:31,630 thank you great phone call yeah I know 3540 02:52:34,260 --> 02:52:32,410 it's tough 3541 02:52:38,250 --> 02:52:34,270 hi you're live on fade to black who's 3542 02:52:40,530 --> 02:52:38,260 calling yeah good good morning or good 3543 02:52:43,620 --> 02:52:40,540 evening Jimmy this is Phil Christopher's 3544 02:52:47,051 --> 02:52:43,630 you're in the Pacific Northwest how are 3545 02:52:50,921 --> 02:52:47,061 you hello I am doing great Jimmy 3546 02:52:54,551 --> 02:52:50,931 uh-uh there's been a tweet storm for me 3547 02:52:56,200 --> 02:52:54,561 today I've been writing throwing stuff 3548 02:52:59,290 --> 02:52:56,210 out so I want to throw this out to you 3549 02:53:03,511 --> 02:52:59,300 guys that I wrote down is that basically 3550 02:53:06,251 --> 02:53:03,521 I see free wills this way is because 3551 02:53:11,261 --> 02:53:06,261 with you know psychics think they can 3552 02:53:15,360 --> 02:53:11,271 only predict the future and you know 62 3553 02:53:20,610 --> 02:53:15,370 is 78 85 percent right so they're never 3554 02:53:23,171 --> 02:53:20,620 straight on so to me is theirs if they 3555 02:53:24,910 --> 02:53:23,181 can't get to a hundred percent then 3556 02:53:30,011 --> 02:53:24,920 there's got to be free will there's got 3557 02:53:32,950 --> 02:53:30,021 to be something that changes what 3558 02:53:33,251 --> 02:53:32,960 they're seeing do you see where I'm 3559 02:53:36,970 --> 02:53:33,261 going 3560 02:53:38,801 --> 02:53:36,980 well I I do and it goes back to look I 3561 02:53:43,450 --> 02:53:38,811 totally get it 3562 02:53:45,461 --> 02:53:43,460 and just like what Mike had said earlier 3563 02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:45,471 when I asked him if he had free will and 3564 02:53:54,220 --> 02:53:50,570 his answer was no I feel like I do but 3565 02:53:56,350 --> 02:53:54,230 the outcome is inevitable and you only 3566 02:53:59,530 --> 02:53:56,360 have one outcome in the end and I know 3567 02:54:01,511 --> 02:53:59,540 it sounds like you got you did you had 3568 02:54:05,080 --> 02:54:01,521 all of the free will in the world to get 3569 02:54:08,140 --> 02:54:05,090 to that one outcome but the outcome is 3570 02:54:11,560 --> 02:54:08,150 inevitable and it's math that dictates 3571 02:54:13,330 --> 02:54:11,570 that and that and the math works see 3572 02:54:19,870 --> 02:54:13,340 that's the other thing on when you get 3573 02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:19,880 into all of this it says that is it it's 3574 02:54:27,070 --> 02:54:23,840 all hologram and that's what you're 3575 02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:27,080 talking about there's there's that well 3576 02:54:32,830 --> 02:54:29,330 that's part of it well okay 3577 02:54:34,900 --> 02:54:32,840 that's something that's fascinated me 3578 02:54:37,631 --> 02:54:34,910 and I've done so much research into that 3579 02:54:41,620 --> 02:54:37,641 in the last few years it's driving Rita 3580 02:54:44,921 --> 02:54:41,630 crazy but but that's another part of it 3581 02:54:48,820 --> 02:54:44,931 I would like to think that my 3582 02:54:51,940 --> 02:54:48,830 conversation tonight not only with my 3583 02:54:54,490 --> 02:54:51,950 guests but with you right now is free 3584 02:54:57,730 --> 02:54:54,500 will the decisions that I'm making right 3585 02:55:00,910 --> 02:54:57,740 now to speak to you in answer to your 3586 02:55:01,269 --> 02:55:00,920 questions is free will then there's the 3587 02:55:06,159 --> 02:55:01,279 other 3588 02:55:08,289 --> 02:55:06,169 part of it that is that says that it was 3589 02:55:11,109 --> 02:55:08,299 all everything that I've just thought of 3590 02:55:14,649 --> 02:55:11,119 right now including this very sentence 3591 02:55:21,789 --> 02:55:14,659 in the now now is predetermined it's 3592 02:55:24,579 --> 02:55:21,799 math you know and I I don't have a 3593 02:55:27,939 --> 02:55:24,589 problem with this because as a Reiki 3594 02:55:30,819 --> 02:55:27,949 Master I have a thing I call the Reiki 3595 02:55:34,179 --> 02:55:30,829 distant and what a dad does is I can 3596 02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:34,189 start to healing back at the point of 3597 02:55:41,409 --> 02:55:37,850 the time so I'm changing the past to 3598 02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:41,419 affect the future yes okay okay and look 3599 02:55:46,859 --> 02:55:43,760 I've got I've got 15 seconds I have to 3600 02:55:56,010 --> 02:55:46,869 actually run but you're a Reiki Master 3601 02:56:01,210 --> 02:55:59,559 you thought you could have so think 3602 02:56:07,809 --> 02:56:01,220 about that Phil we'll see you tomorrow 3603 02:56:11,889 --> 02:56:07,819 night on the show okay yeah bye bye it's 3604 02:56:12,489 --> 02:56:11,899 that's exactly my point that's exactly 3605 02:56:15,099 --> 02:56:12,499 my point 3606 02:56:20,979 --> 02:56:15,109 and that was Mike's point too you know 3607 02:56:24,309 --> 02:56:20,989 the end result was inevitable yeah it's 3608 02:56:25,750 --> 02:56:24,319 I know I know I know you got to love it 3609 02:56:27,519 --> 02:56:25,760 and that's why I like going through 3610 02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:27,529 three hours on this show because I 3611 02:56:32,050 --> 02:56:30,319 learned so much along with all of you 3612 02:56:34,599 --> 02:56:32,060 fascinating conversation tonight I 3613 02:56:36,639 --> 02:56:34,609 really enjoyed all of it and tomorrow 3614 02:56:38,579 --> 02:56:36,649 night everybody get ready you know 3615 02:56:44,170 --> 02:56:38,589 what's gonna go down right here 3616 02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:44,180 Ouija board live with Karen a dolmen 3617 02:56:51,219 --> 02:56:47,770 you're not going to want to miss that so 3618 02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,229 yeah we'll do it tomorrow night if you 3619 02:56:55,569 --> 02:56:53,359 want to post something up on Twitter you 3620 02:56:59,109 --> 02:56:55,579 want to send me an email maybe we'll 3621 02:57:00,250 --> 02:56:59,119 even take some phone calls all right but 3622 02:57:01,510 --> 02:57:00,260 we're gonna do it live right here 3623 02:57:04,450 --> 02:57:01,520 tomorrow night bye 3624 02:57:05,559 --> 02:57:04,460 with Karen Adelman Ouija all night on 3625 02:57:07,899 --> 02:57:05,569 fade to black 3626 02:57:10,469 --> 02:57:07,909 I do want to remind everybody before I 3627 02:57:13,809 --> 02:57:10,479 get out of here get your meals ordered 3628 02:57:16,689 --> 02:57:13,819 get your meals ordered soul Tek a pity 3629 02:57:18,250 --> 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